Looking for a press

[logibear1daddy]

In need of a press for reloading looking into the Redding t7 used in good working condfition

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[stilly]

Well since this is a DISCUSSION FORUM and NOT A WTB/WTS forum, I guess you came here to discuss why you want a T-7 instead of any other presses. Oh, Please do not post things in the forums while you are acting like a zombie on your phone and walking into things. You clearly need MORE ATTENTION to what you are doing and you appear to only have enough attention to give to ONE thing at a time...

So why do you want a T-7?

Have you even seen the RCBS turret? It TOO is green...

[tonyjr]

Depending on what you want to reload , how many calibers and how deep your pockets are .
For pistol reloading , my Lee load master works OK , but I would like one more station .
Right now it is good for rifle cases . They - rifle cases go on press twice - once for lubing / sizing - then they get cleaned again and back on for reloading .
Pistol cases can be done in one round , but I decap and cap off press .
Unless you are getting a really good deal [ like free ] I would look at a single stage to start with .
The price of press is just the starting price .
Die sets come in 2 , 3 and 4 die set . [ the lee hand load in one set but not really a die . ]
Having a place for 7 dies - what are you planning on putting in the tool holes ?

[Divernhunter]

You do not want a Redding. You need something simple since you have proven you cannot follow directions. I would not want you to hurt yourself or someone near you with what you would make on that press.
I think lee makes a hand loader more suited for you or better yet just buy factory ammo.

Now if you want to DISCUSS the merits of the Redding over other presses or if you even need a turret press then this is where you want to post. Also if you have questions about HOW to reload this is the place to be.

[Metal God]

You guys are brutal to the new guy , why ? This may be his very first time ever posting in a forum like this and he may not know there's a sub forum inside this one for buying and selling .

Then there's the idea that as stilly points out , He may be just asking what we think of the T7 .

The guy writes one sentence and some how you can judge everything about him . Oh and tell him how stupid he is behind the comfort of your keyboard .

Not even a welcome to calguns . Hmm , I just can't see how calguns gets such a bad rap

[stilly]

You know, I was thinking of this some time ago.

Who has a Redding T-7 and can point out the negative features of it?

What things are good and what is their limitation?

[bazineta]

Who has a Redding T-7 and can point out the negative features of it?

What things are good and what is their limitation?

I have a T-7. I regard the only negative features as being an inability to use Hornady Lock-and-Load bushings, which are, I must admit, pretty slick; they'd be nice to have. Additionally, the first time you remove the turret head, the strength of The Hulk will need to be employed.

Other that that, and those are admittedly a bit of a reach, it's hard to come up with anything negative; it's quite a nice press, strong, well designed, a pleasure to use.

[Metal God]

I can tell you one thing that may be an issue for some , press deflection . I helped a guy out that was getting inconsistent CHS ( case head space ) which is the measurement from head to datum point .

What was happening was he had the die adjusted to where it just contacted the shell holder when the ram was up . How ever when he actually sized a case there was now a gap . I recommended he try some Redding competition shell holders which did solve the problem .

If the OP would like I can talk more on this subject but it's a more advanced thing to be concerned about and a new reloader need not worry about it unless you are starting out loading for long range precision shooting .

The other con and this is just me , is I don't like any press that does not auto index ( when applicable ). I'd rather have the press move from station to station it's self then leaving that up to me . I just feel that introduces the possibility of the human error element that need not be there . YMMV

[santacruzgunner]

Get a lee turret and carry on

[AhSpray]

^^^ This...
But start with the single stage Breech Reloader press first. Learn the basics and get used to methodically and consistently reloading precision ammunition (beginning with the indicated starting charges). Then, when you upgrade to the Classic Turret press, you can dedicate your Breech Reloader to decapping, or whatever you wish.
Read multiple manuals (the more the better). Because a bullet is a small bomb, you are setting off, inch's from your face.

Think about that.

[stilly]

I can tell you one thing that may be an issue for some , press deflection . I helped a guy out that was getting inconsistent CHS ( case head space ) which is the measurement from head to datum point .

What was happening was he had the die adjusted to where it just contacted the shell holder when the ram was up . How ever when he actually sized a case there was now a gap . I recommended he try some Redding competition shell holders which did solve the problem .

If the OP would like I can talk more on this subject but it's a more advanced thing to be concerned about and a new reloader need not worry about it unless you are starting out loading for long range precision shooting .

The other con and this is just me , is I don't like any press that does not auto index ( when applicable ). I'd rather have the press move from station to station it's self then leaving that up to me . I just feel that introduces the possibility of the human error element that need not be there . YMMV

Why is this a problem on the T-7 and not on any other presses? I know that SOMEtimes the competition shell holders are "fixes" for some things, but this makes no sense to me. If the shell holder does not move, only is taller or shorter depending on which one you get, why not just screw down the die a little more instead?

[tonyjr]

I don't think Lee makes competition shell holders .
I am one of the people that likes having spare and have found some plates are loser and some are tighter .
Yes , I know some people weight for some thing to break / wear out before getting a spare / replacement .
That kind of thinking will start to change in 2018 .

[Metal God]

It's a problem on many presses , some more then others . In general the "C" type open faced press will have more flex/deflection then "O" type or closed face presses do . There is also the fact a turret press has tolerances ( a gap between the tool head and press body ) that allows the head to turn. When adjusting the die you may need to adjust it in a way that compensates for those tolerances . Also how far those open faced presses cantilever out will have an effect on flex/deflection . Then there's the linkage in the press arm that will flex as well . All of those things "can" compound the issue . Depending on the press you have and how many of those compounding issues it has likely will determine how much press deflection you have .

Now this is just general information on presses . I'm not going to get into quality/strength of metals or girth/mass that helps prevent these things . Every press is different and some have more deflection then others . Then there's the type and size of the case you are sizing as well as type of lube you use that comes into play . A 300 win mag will cause a press to deflect more then a 223 simply by the force it takes to size them respectively .

Here is an example of just the linkage deflecting on a "O" ring type press .

This is the die adjusted to where it just barely makes contact with the shell holder when the ram is up .


Here is that same set up when I'm actually sizing a 308 LC case


I don't remember off hand how large that gap was but if you can easily see it it's much bigger then just a couple thousandths .

The easy fix to this issue is to screw the die down another 1/4 turn so the die and shell holder make hard contact . If any would like we can even go deeper into this as to why you may need and or want the die adjusted off the shell holder .

For now I hope I answered the question posed . All presses have some deflection . How much depends on many factors .

[tonyjr]

Metal God -
not something I even considered .
When people post - I can do um-t-um cartridges an hour - I just dismiss it .
On rifle rounds , decap , resize , - one tool head . Then clean and recap . Next - different tool head for reloading .

[Metal God]

Tonyjr : A lot of reloaders don't think about it and most don't even need to worry about it . This is why I brought up that the OP need not worry about it because it's a more advanced technique to worry about when sizing bottle neck cases . Press deflection has very little to no effect on straight walled cases .

I'd also like to be clear that I'm not saying any press is better then another or that a reloader should use Redding competition shell holders . I was just asked a question and I'm trying to answer it fully , nothing more nothing less .

Nothing I hate more then one line answers with no context or explanation how they came to that conclusion . Like , I've been doing it for years you're GTG . How many times in life have we been doing something for years only to find there's a better way or what we were doing was flat out wrong . Please elaborate how this is GTG . The fact you've not killed your self yet is not good enough for me . Now if you weren't a stranger on the internet and someone like a best friend or other person I know and trust there opinions . Then I might except your GTG but since I don't know you , You will need to convince me a little more before I run with your advice .

This is why my post tend to be long winded . I believe I should do the same for you . Could you imagine if I just wrote one sentence like "the T7 will produce inconsistent ammo" with no context . We all know that you can produce consistent ammo on virtually any press you use . Hell you can produce VERY inconsistent ammo on even the best of presses so context is important .

EDIT : just thought of something my long windedness did not state clearly When using the word "you" above . I'm not speaking to or of any specific poster here in this thread . I'm using it in a general context while referring to "some" people who post on internet forums in general .