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  • boyguan
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2016
    • 751

    Powder recommendation

    Looking to load my first batch of pistol and soon after rifle

    9mm fmj berry bullets 115 grn

    223 and 308 sierra 69 grn match king. 169 grn horandy eld match

    I was thinking for pistol to buy some
    Winchester 231
    Cfe pistol
    Tite group

    Rifle
    Cfe 22
    Varget
    H335


    Any other suggestions? I will start with a few times loading 9 and if goes well move up to 223

    Figure buy it all at once to save on hazmat
  • #2
    slayer61
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2014
    • 1402

    I can't personally speak to rifle powders, but your choices of pistol powders is spot on. I have all those in the powder locker, and a few more. I use HS6 for most of my 9mm stuff. Shoot safe.
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    • #3
      tonyjr
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2015
      • 1448

      I use HS 6 , HP38 and CFE . Varget is a dirty powder , when gone , I will be changing to probably CFE .
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      • #4
        Howitzer1987
        Member
        • Jul 2013
        • 166

        CFE 223, WIN 748, BLC-2 and accurate 2200 are all good powders that I have used with pretty good results. With that said, while Varget does run slightly dirty, it is extremely consistent and gives great results. Pistol wise you can add bullseye as another good option

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        • #5
          dwalker
          Veteran Member
          • Jul 2014
          • 2714

          CFEPistol is a great start. Titegroup is a bit risky for newbies as it is easy to doublecharge and not notice.

          The rifle powders you have picked are fine.
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          • #6
            Calif Hunter
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2003
            • 3262

            I like Titegroup, followed by W231/HP38 for non-magnum handgun rounds. For .223, I have gone to Ramshot TAC. Clean burning, a ball powder so it measures perfectly without having to weigh each charge and accurate. I used to use H-335, then went to H-322 before going to TAC. They also worked well.

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            • #7
              boyguan
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2016
              • 751

              Thanks guys

              How do you decide what's not good and what is good? Personal preference? Cause I assume with each new powder you need to do a work up for each one. In my Lyman reloading book the recommend certain powder with certain types of bullets.

              How does one make a call about that?

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              • #8
                Dellinger
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2011
                • 730

                The tight group goes a long way. Books are great and all but the website has the most recent updated load data. Take your time setting up and enjoy. Start in the middle for grains and make 10-20 of each weight and work up to higher loads under max load of course. I load my practice ammo a bit lower in pressure. Saves powder and less ware and tare on the guns.
                " A Free People Ought Not Only Be Armed And Disciplined But Should Have Sufficient Arms And Ammunition To Maintain A Status Of Independence From Any Who Might Attempt To Abuse Them, Which Also Includes Their Own Government."
                ~George Washington~

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                • #9
                  sargenv
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 4618

                  All of those powders are good for starters. If you are in the bay area, Richmond R&G has them in stock for sale..

                  Titegroup isn't so bad in the 9mm, it's not hard to spot and generally a double charge unless very low charge will be obvious in the 9mm. Depending on bullet weight that is.. I usually go 3.5 gr with a 125 LRN.. 7 gr will be very obvious in that small case.

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                  • #10
                    Milsurp Collector
                    Calguns Addict
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 5884

                    Titegroup is versatile and economical (small charges used = more charges per pound) for many handgun rounds. For 9mm also consider Power Pistol and BE-86. BE-86 is good for short barrels because it has a flash suppressant.

                    One powder that is good for .223 and .308 is Reloder 15. I have used it for .308 and made some super-accurate .303 British rounds with it.
                    Last edited by Milsurp Collector; 06-28-2017, 3:38 PM. Reason: Noticed they spell it "Reloder" instead of "Reloader"
                    Revolvers are not pistols

                    pistol nouna handgun whose chamber is integral with the barrel
                    Calling a revolver a "pistol" is like calling a magazine a "clip", calling a shotgun a rifle, or a calling a man a woman.

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                    • #11
                      Howitzer1987
                      Member
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 166

                      Finding the powder you like best comes down to personal preference and performance. Depending on how you are doing your powder loads, you may find that you want to stay away from stick powders as opposed to ball powder or even flakes. Certain loads will also work better with one gun and be mediocre in another. Its all in what you are looking for in terms of performance and the tools you have at your disposal. With that said, finding the best combination of loads/powder/bullet weight/primer takes some trial and error and the best way to keep the best powder/every other component is to keep a record and write if it was a good load or not or if it worked well for one gun and not another. While time consuming and sometimes a pain in the ***, getting your groupings to tighten up because of a bullet you made is one of the best feelings when it comes to shooting

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                      • #12
                        Che762x39
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 2011
                        • 4538

                        Originally posted by boyguan
                        Looking to load my first batch of pistol and soon after rifle

                        9mm fmj berry bullets 115 grn ...
                        For 9mm which I have been reloading for since 1982. Bullseye is a great choice and it meters well.

                        For a Reloading Manual I suggest Speer.

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                        • #13
                          rm1911
                          Veteran Member
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 4073

                          My all time favorite 9mm powder is accurate #5. For the longest time it was unobtainable but now it's coming back online. I did find power pistol to be a pretty good replacement. Really like PP, although I think #5 meters better.

                          Oddly enough both powders are 5.8-6.0 gr. Neither is a max load but are accurate and cycle great.

                          Also bullseye works great in 9mm. 4.5-4.8 grains. Bullseye meters great.

                          Usually use 115's but also 124's. Never had a problem with either.
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                          • #14
                            Dellinger
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 730

                            I have a load I've been making for a couple of years for my wife. It's a 135 grain copper plated 40 Cal from extremebullets.com loaded with tight group. Very light recoil round and the gun cycles fine. She loves my Glock 23 but the normal 40 is to much for her. My reload is no more than a 9mm's worth of recoil. She loves it. Once in a wile I'll throw a factory round in the magazine for kicks.

                            Plink, plink, plink, BOOM, plink. Funny every time.

                            You'll get a bunch of enjoyment from experimenting with different purpose driven taylored loads.
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                            • #15
                              OpenSightsOnly
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 1557

                              Originally posted by boyguan
                              Thanks guys

                              How do you decide what's not good and what is good? Personal preference? Cause I assume with each new powder you need to do a work up for each one. In my Lyman reloading book the recommend certain powder with certain types of bullets.

                              How does one make a call about that?

                              I primarily load for rifles and found out that H4895 or Varget does a good job for 223, 308, and 30 cal loads.

                              For 223 gas gun primers, I use Rem 7 1/2 BR or CCI 450, thicker/harder cups.

                              I also have three different reloading manuals (Sierra, Hornady, and Berger) and have access to a chrono should I need to verify velocity.

                              The loads from the reloading manual are a good start.

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