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  • TheAquaSpaceCow
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2016
    • 23

    Win 296 in 38 special

    Okay I know you are all going to say "No don't use Win 296 in 38 Special it's too slow"

    The question is not about accuracy or whatever. I just want to know will magnum primers in a 38 special case blow a 125gr cast lead bullet with 0.5cc of Win 296 out a 4 inch barrel. If there is extra powder that blows out and makes a fireball, that's a bonus.

    I just want to know if it will shoot the damn bullet out the barrel.
  • #2
    'ol shooter
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 4646

    If it was a good idea there would be published loading data for it, don't you think?
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    • #3
      stilly
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jul 2009
      • 10685

      I do not know what .5CCs is in grains, but yes, it should.

      There....

      HEy you know when they say there is no such thing as a dumb question? That kinda sorta came very close to the edge right there...

      Let's examine your motives here...

      No wait. Before we go any further, I will point out a HUGE safety bonus for you right now. They say SOME powders should not be loaded lightly... H-110 is one of them. H-110 is the cousin (although some say brother) to W296.

      The problem with your scenario is that YOU are Secondary Detonation Hunting...

      That is when the primer goes off and STARTS the combustion process, but maybe it is just not enough powder packed there to catch fire and go all the way, so it creeps, and then KABOOM! because there is so much air in the case it causes an uncontrolled explosion.

      So, yes, it sure should push SOMETHING out of the gun, why you are hunting secondary detonations is beyond me, but you should not be holding that gun or be close to it when you start pulling the trigger.

      Now it COULD very well be a myth because several folks have tried to reproduce that exact thing and failed. They all failed as far as I know. But if you keep turning over blarney stones, you are bound to find a pellerchaun...
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      • #4
        Divernhunter
        Calguns Addict
        • May 2010
        • 8753

        Win 296 and H110(same powder) is for mag loading and should never be reduced below the starting load.
        The reason for this is you can have Detonation with reduced loads. IE can destroy gun and/or you. Not a smart move. Some reloading manuals explain this but you need to read them to understand it

        Your very question suggests you are new at reloading. I am not ragging on you just trying to help and educate.
        You also need a strong crimp with these powders to get them to function well. They need to build pressure to have the powder burn well and completely.

        Bottom line they are not powders you want to screw with doing what if things to.
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        • #5
          TheAquaSpaceCow
          Junior Member
          • Jun 2016
          • 23

          I'm not going to do it, folks. I'm just curious. But thanks for your answers!

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          • #6
            drdarrin@sbcglobal.net
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2011
            • 2219

            Originally posted by TheAquaSpaceCow
            Okay I know you are all going to say "No don't use Win 296 in 38 Special it's too slow"



            The question is not about accuracy or whatever. I just want to know will magnum primers in a 38 special case blow a 125gr cast lead bullet with 0.5cc of Win 296 out a 4 inch barrel. If there is extra powder that blows out and makes a fireball, that's a bonus.



            I just want to know if it will shoot the damn bullet out the barrel.


            Oh, you can be assured the bullet will come out, probably from the barrel. Give it a shot, see what I did there, and report back.


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            • #7
              rm1911
              Veteran Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 4073

              The fact that there's probably no load data is a really really really good indicator. Besides, a magnum powder is for magnums. Majority of 38 special guns can't handle higher pressures. There are dozens of great powders available for 38 special. If you want magnum velocity, maybe sometime in the future somebody can turn the 38 special into a magnum round. It is the 21st century, you know.
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              • #8
                PM720
                Calguns.net Shooting Team
                • Apr 2010
                • 2156

                Geez guys, if you are so worried about too much air space just put more powder in!

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                • #9
                  opos
                  In Memoriam
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 1597

                  No problem with it coming out of the barrel...it will...but the question is which end?
                  God and the Constitution give me my rights and actions...any other input is just blabbering.

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                  • #10
                    'ol shooter
                    Veteran Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 4646

                    Originally posted by opos
                    No problem with it coming out of the barrel...it will...but the question is which end?
                    Or maybe the middle?
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                    • #11
                      stilly
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 10685

                      He who smelt it must have dealt it, so now OP needs to follow through or they will be asking about Chinese made Valentine Pop Rocks and how much better at cleaning they probably are in a wet tumbler in the next thread...
                      7 Billion people on the planet. They aint ALL gonna astronauts. Some will get hit by trains...

                      Need GOOD SS pins to clean your brass? Try the new and improved model...



                      And remember- 99.9% of the lawyers ruin it for the other .1%...

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                      • #12
                        Kestryll
                        Head Janitor
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 21584

                        Originally posted by stilly
                        He who smelt it must have dealt it, so now OP needs to follow through or they will be asking about Chinese made Valentine Pop Rocks and how much better at cleaning they probably are in a wet tumbler in the next thread...
                        I think I've had enough of your insulting attitude and of giving you chances.

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                        • #13
                          orangeusa
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 9055

                          Originally posted by 'ol shooter
                          Or maybe the middle?
                          I got here late. I was thinking the same thing... hahaha

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                          • #14
                            McGuiver
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2016
                            • 1022

                            Win 296 in 38 special

                            I would say No to W-296 powder in a 38 spl case. If you do want to try it, make sure you use a string to pull the trigger, and a Ransom rest to hold the gun. I'm guessing it will split any 38spl frame down the middle...

                            If you want to make it a convertible...



                            Or you can make it a quick change tri-cylinder. Better then speed loaders...




                            Unless you find load data, or are willing to loose fingers, eyes or life. Just Say No...


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                            Last edited by McGuiver; 04-05-2017, 8:46 PM.

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                            • #15
                              thx1138x1
                              Junior Member
                              • Feb 2014
                              • 63

                              Primer goes boom powder does not lite yet,pressure from primer sticks bullet into forcing cone,now powder lites barrel plugged

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