Reloaded data for 9mm Berry's bullets

[nmikmik]

Creating a separate thread because it is more of a specific question.
Trying to reload some dummies without the primers or powder, just to see if my dies are set up correctly.
I am still struggling to understand the reloading data I am gathering from different source, primarily because it's conflicting.
Lyman's handbook does not have my Berry's bullets nor Hodgdon CFE pistol data for the 9mm. The closest they have to my Berry's .356 124gr plated HP is the 125gr jacketed HP listing. Now, the fun part; Lyman's shows 1.075 COL,
Hodgdon, although without mentioning the HP, shows 1.150 and Berry's website 1.060
So which data is correct for my loads or what should be my final OAL if neither of them is correct?
Thanks!

[blkside]

I have a little cheat app on my phone and they have the following

Berrys 124 Gr RN (.356) on CFE Pistol is 4.9gr (1006FPS) to 5.5gr (1120FPS)

That's all I can get you right now until I get to my Hornady Manual.

The App BTW is called "RELOADING ASSISTANT" and has a fair amount of info and what I have bounced off it so far has been out of one of the legitimate manuals.

[slayer61]

Go see Hodgdon's reloading sight. They have a specific recipe for Berry's with CFE if that's what you're looking for.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

Looks like
Hodgdon CFE Pistol .356" diameter 1.150" min COL 4.9 grains start 1,006 FPS 27,300 PSI 5.5 grains max 1,120 FPS 33,800 PSI

Good luck!

[nmikmik]

Hey, thanks for such a quick reply and the offer blkside
The Hodgdon shows the same data, plus the OAL, just need to know if it's correct one.

[nmikmik]

Go see Hodgdon's reloading sight. They have a specific recipe for Berry's with CFE if that's what you're looking for.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

Looks like
Hodgdon CFE Pistol .356" diameter 1.150" min COL 4.9 grains start 1,006 FPS 27,300 PSI 5.5 grains max 1,120 FPS 33,800 PSI

Good luck!

Thank you slayer61!
I used that very same data when was looking up for my reloads, but when I did the 1.150 it fits the gauge fine and when I try them in my CZ75 barrel they hang about 1/16" off compare to the factory GECO round.
Any ideas?

[nmikmik]

Here are some pictures from my attempts
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factory ammo
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[slayer61]

Odd.... my reloads @ 1.15 fit my Mrs' CZ without problem. Sounds to me like you need to find a good COL first and then very slowly and carefully start at the bottom of the range and test for signs of over pressure.

What is the COL on the factory ammo you're using??

Bulged brass??

Did you crimp before doing the plunk test?

Keep us updated.



edit to add that specs say you can go as short as 1.00" and as long as 1.169" and still be within specs.
Please understand that Hodgdon's specs were tested with their listed length. Shorter lengths will increase pressure and vice versa.

[BEE]

Do a push test to get the max COL with the bullet you are planning to load for your particular barrel. Not all barrels are made the same.

[blkside]

Do you have a factory crimp die, cause it is most likely catching on an expanded lip rather than the COL...

[nmikmik]

Do a push test to get the max COL with the bullet you are planning to load for your particular barrel. Not all barrels are made the same.

Thank you Bee,
please explain to me what the "push test" is. I am very new to reloading and don't have all the terms and abbreviations yet
and no I don't have the factory crimp die, I was told I don't need one.
I did notice that my rounds look more bulged at the mouth but thought it's because my bullets are slightly oversize diameter compare to the GECOs.
I measured them with micrometer and they are barely wider, but still fall inside the gauge just like the factory do, smoothly.
Maybe I just need to reset my crimp die and see if it does the same... Come to think of it, what you say perfectly makes sense the OAL should be effecting the feeding from magazine into the chamber rather than chambering itself, no?

[BEE]

Thank you Bee,
please explain to me what the "push test" is. I am very new to reloading and don't have all the terms and abbreviations yet
and no I don't have the factory crimp die, I was told I don't need one.
I did notice that my rounds look more bulged at the mouth but thought it's because my bullets are slightly oversize diameter compare to the GECOs.
I measured them with micrometer and they are barely wider, but still fall inside the gauge just like the factory do, smoothly.
Maybe I just need to reset my crimp die and see if it does the same... Come to think of it, what you say perfectly makes sense the OAL should be effecting the feeding from magazine into the chamber rather than chambering itself, no?

Yep, no prob. Rather me explaining, here is a thread link regarding finding the max oal by doing the "Push Test".

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=34225.0

After finding the max oal for your particular barrel, perform the "Plunk Test" to verify a safe workable col. Youtube link as follows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s80P2j02YnM

[nmikmik]

Yep, no prob. Rather me explaining, here is a thread link regarding finding the max oal by doing the "Push Test".

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=34225.0

After finding the max oal for your particular barrel, perform the "Plunk Test" to verify a safe workable col. Youtube link as follows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s80P2j02YnM

Perfect,
thank you very much!

[slayer61]

Yep, no prob. Rather me explaining, here is a thread link regarding finding the max oal by doing the "Push Test".

http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=34225.0

Excellent resource. Thank you.

[stilly]

Creating a separate thread because it is more of a specific question.
Trying to reload some dummies without the primers or powder, just to see if my dies are set up correctly.
I am still struggling to understand the reloading data I am gathering from different source, primarily because it's conflicting.
Lyman's handbook does not have my Berry's bullets nor Hodgdon CFE pistol data for the 9mm. The closest they have to my Berry's .356 124gr plated HP is the 125gr jacketed HP listing. Now, the fun part; Lyman's shows 1.075 COL,
Hodgdon, although without mentioning the HP, shows 1.150 and Berry's website 1.060
So which data is correct for my loads or what should be my final OAL if neither of them is correct?
Thanks!

There is an ART to the science of reloading... Different lawfirms will produce different high and low starting points among books because it is PUBLISHED DATA which means they are supposed to be responsible for what they put out there so they do not get sued. Different folks will try different lengths and charges based on manufacturer data and their own studies. That is where you can get conflicting info. So if you want to feel safer, pick a range that is within BOTH of those sources and start from the lowest of that range and see what you get. Making a bullet longer is not a problem, but making it shorter increases pressure levels sometimes and that could be bad for the shooter.

So tell me, do you have a girlfriend...


oops. It looks like I am late to the party (as usual) so then looking at those photos, I want to say to check for glocked brass... But that is just a guess without putting much thought into it.

[Bt Doctur]

I would resize a case and see if it fits correctly. rimless cartriges headspace on the rim,
now load a bullet in this case to your set depth and see if it seats. If it dosent, your hitting the rifling , not good. Might check the chamber depth too with a gauge