Reloading class in the I.E.

[raffit78]

Since the stickied thread is so old and can't respond, I figured I might as well start a new one.

A few friends and I are interested in reloading.

Suggestions? Group meetings? Private meetings? Anyone doing this that would like to set something up?






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[stilly]

hehehehehe...

Oh BRONCO?

What do your friends have? Do any of them know how to reload or anything at all? Like, is there one guy in the group that has EVERY book and has read them and keeps asking you guys to buy the components?

Where are you based? What city?

How many is a few and how committed are they to wanting to learn?

Also, what calibers? If they only want to make 9mm, that is easy, but if we got like one guy that wants to make 9mm and one that wants 44 mag and one that wants 458 socom, then there might be a little bit of an issue...

[Jess-]

Contact West Coast Ammo out Temecula they have held reloading classes in the past on Saturday, great store too

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[kcstott]

hehehehehe...


Also, what calibers? If they only want to make 9mm, that is easy, but if we got like one guy that wants to make 9mm and one that wants 44 mag and one that wants 458 socom, then there might be a little bit of an issue...

See and there's the problem.. the majority of the people I've had ask about reloading classes only want to rent my machines... That's not going to happen.

They also think they are leaving with loaded ammo. That ain't going to happen either unless they bring every component themselves.

I teach a 4-6 hour class. all single stage work from the bottom up. Pistol or rifle cartridge or both if you desire. I include a manual, and you get a good 30 minutes of safety. and safety is reminded throughout the day.

Reloading class info Problem I have is people are not serious and only want a one hour $20 class.
Sorry my Shop rate is $60 an hour and you're taking up 4-6 hours of my time $15-$25 per hour is not bad considering you are getting hands on training on expensive gear, on a very well equipped reloading table, from a person that's been doing this for over 25 years... that and you're not going to learn a damn thing in a one hour class. I also shoot F class 1000 yard NRA matches and have experience loading precision match grade ammo.

I have two RL550B's, a RCBS Special 5, and a RCBS Ammomaster.

been advertising it for four years and not one serious taker.

[raffit78]

Almost all of us have stayed to two ammo platforms. 9 and 223.

Again, being new here, I wasn't aware that reloading different calibers has it's own trick so I already learned something new.

I can gather 3-4 buddies, maybe we can get a few more guys new to reloading and we can try to get a group class?

We're not trying to rent equipment and so on. We just want to be guided towards the right direction when it comes to buying the correct equipment, training, being safe.



Thanks for the heads up on west coast ammo. I will give them a call and ask.

None of us have books or read books or own "all the books".

I have read about a few books that you "must" read before you dig into this. So maybe that can be a start. I also think a group setting can help tremendously.

Thanks for the feedback guys





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[BigBronco]

I have temporarily left CA. I will be back.

[kcstott]

Almost all of us have stayed to two ammo platforms. 9 and 223.

Again, being new here, I wasn't aware that reloading different calibers has it's own trick so I already learned something new.

I can gather 3-4 buddies, maybe we can get a few more guys new to reloading and we can try to get a group class?

We're not trying to rent equipment and so on. We just want to be guided towards the right direction when it comes to buying the correct equipment, training, being safe.



Thanks for the heads up on west coast ammo. I will give them a call and ask.

None of us have books or read books or own "all the books".

I have read about a few books that you "must" read before you dig into this. So maybe that can be a start. I also think a group setting can help tremendously.

Thanks for the feedback guys





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There's no real tricks to different calibers. I don't know where that stuff comes from. Anything ACP or 9mm Nato or designed thereafter i.e. rimless pistol cases that headspace of the mouth needs special attention as to case length. more so for belling reasons then headspace. That's it.

A straight walled case is a straight walled case. A bottle necked case is a bottle necked case.

You can break it down further to bullet type, Crimp no crimp, Neck turning, neck tension, seating depth, bullet jump, Powder weighing, primer types and seating style,

I mean you can pick this stuff apart as deep or as shallow as you like for your intended practice.

Just remember there are guys that shoot benchrest that load their ammo on $10K in gear and components, and you have kids in pakistan building 7.62x39 with pipes and hammers. with powder charges measured by eye.
At the end of the day it all goes bang. some just have a higher likelihood of doing it's job down range.

What you put into reloading is what you get out of it. it's that simple.

You want cheap, light practice ammo and don't care about an occasional misfire, dudd, squib. Sure that can be done. I can also show you the attention to detail needed to reload your own defense ammo.

biggest thing I can tell you is get a Lyman manual and read the first half of the book. that section covers 99% of reloading. very little of which has changed since the advent of smokeless powder. Sure we have better dies and machine to make ammo but the process is still the same.

[raffit78]

Great info. That breaks down a lot. I will order that book now and start reading, meanwhile I really do appreciate your help and will let the buddies know, that you can set this up for a nominal fee.


I will stay in touch. Thanks again


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[kcstott]

Great info. That breaks down a lot. I will order that book now and start reading, meanwhile I really do appreciate your help and will let the buddies know, that you can set this up for a nominal fee.


I will stay in touch. Thanks again


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Yeah But I can't do groups. Or at least no more than two at a time. Garage is too small for more than that.

[raffit78]

Yeah But I can't do groups. Or at least no more than two at a time. Garage is too small for more than that.

So no ammo party, scratched off the list

Jk. Let me see who would like to take that on,


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[stilly]

See and there's the problem.. the majority of the people I've had ask about reloading classes only want to rent my machines... That's not going to happen.

They also think they are leaving with loaded ammo. That ain't going to happen either unless they bring every component themselves.

I teach a 4-6 hour class. all single stage work from the bottom up. Pistol or rifle cartridge or both if you desire. I include a manual, and you get a good 30 minutes of safety. and safety is reminded throughout the day.

Reloading class info Problem I have is people are not serious and only want a one hour $20 class.
Sorry my Shop rate is $60 an hour and you're taking up 4-6 hours of my time $15-$25 per hour is not bad considering you are getting hands on training on expensive gear, on a very well equipped reloading table, from a person that's been doing this for over 25 years... that and you're not going to learn a damn thing in a one hour class. I also shoot F class 1000 yard NRA matches and have experience loading precision match grade ammo.

I have two RL550B's, a RCBS Special 5, and a RCBS Ammomaster.

been advertising it for four years and not one serious taker.

Blame You tube- why pay when you can watch the internet show you for free?- but it is FREE! Free is safe! Free rules the world... And when you think you have a better point to make, just remember, it is FREE...

:D

Now does that mean that you would charge $60/hour for 5 people showing up, so they each pony up $12.00 per hour?

One of these days I wanna learn how to reload.

Oh and I only asked about the calibers as a general idea to see how many calibers I already had experience with or had the hardware for... :\

[kcstott]

Blame You tube- why pay when you can watch the internet show you for free?- but it is FREE! Free is safe! Free rules the world... And when you think you have a better point to make, just remember, it is FREE...

:D

Now does that mean that you would charge $60/hour for 5 people showing up, so they each pony up $12.00 per hour?

One of these days I wanna learn how to reload.

Oh and I only asked about the calibers as a general idea to see how many calibers I already had experience with or had the hardware for... :\

Stilly you are pretty dense. and cheap too..

$60 an hour is if you want me to turn handles not teach you something.
it's $100 per student per class. five guys show up $500... see how that works?? But I won't do a class that big as it takes away personal attention to each student and it was priced as private one on one class so that the student gets every bit of time they are paying for. and it's not really $100. It's $70 or less after you consider all the materials supplied to you.

But i'm not here to push a class or try to make less money per hour doing something I love to do. Nope I'm just posting this to be clear on 1. what is offered, and 2. why it costs what it does.

but again I've yet to have any takers. I only offered the class because i've heard people ask about training. Well i can reduce the cost but you're not going to get any take home materials, no manual and the time will be reduced to three hours or less. How much do you think you can learn in three hours??

To be clear and I know stilly is just being facetious. My training is one on one. it is setup to get you fully confident in reloading what ever caliber you so choose to reload. it is a basic class, To get you off the ground making quality ammo at a reasonable expense. No bells or whistles will be taught. i.e. wet tumbling, neck tension, match grade etc. it's set up to get you going with a complete understanding of what is involved and what to look out for including a good amount on safety

For a return trip you can step up to the more advanced classes that cover more specific areas. but as you said Youtube. Yeah you can learn from you tube but you better understand what you are getting. You get what you pay for.

[stilly]

Stilly you are pretty dense. and cheap too..

$60 an hour is if you want me to turn handles not teach you something.
it's $100 per student per class. five guys show up $500... see how that works?? But I won't do a class that big as it takes away personal attention to each student and it was priced as private one on one class so that the student gets every bit of time they are paying for. and it's not really $100. It's $70 or less after you consider all the materials supplied to you.

But i'm not here to push a class or try to make less money per hour doing something I love to do. Nope I'm just posting this to be clear on 1. what is offered, and 2. why it costs what it does.

but again I've yet to have any takers. I only offered the class because i've heard people ask about training. Well i can reduce the cost but you're not going to get any take home materials, no manual and the time will be reduced to three hours or less. How much do you think you can learn in three hours??

To be clear and I know stilly is just being facetious. My training is one on one. it is setup to get you fully confident in reloading what ever caliber you so choose to reload. it is a basic class, To get you off the ground making quality ammo at a reasonable expense. No bells or whistles will be taught. i.e. wet tumbling, neck tension, match grade etc. it's set up to get you going with a complete understanding of what is involved and what to look out for including a good amount on safety

For a return trip you can step up to the more advanced classes that cover more specific areas. but as you said Youtube. Yeah you can learn from you tube but you better understand what you are getting. You get what you pay for.

High praise, high praise!

Good for you for still doing this. I would make it a prerequisite to bring your brass and maybe even publish a PDF that folks can download and know what to go buy and where (as in bullets and primers) Powder, well, powder I think is in the gray area. You should put a link to the classes and details in your sig...

;D

[kcstott]

High praise, high praise!

Good for you for still doing this. I would make it a prerequisite to bring your brass and maybe even publish a PDF that folks can download and know what to go buy and where (as in bullets and primers) Powder, well, powder I think is in the gray area. You should put a link to the classes and details in your sig...

;D

All that is clearly outlined on my reloading class page,

As for a shopping list, That will be handled through PM's or email. I'm not publishing a PDF that will need to be updated every week on who has what.

Powder is not a gray area. I as a reloading instructor can not provide anything but the machines and knowledge to assist someone in learning how to reload. If i provide any components or if i even sell the student components I assume the risk of the components being correct for their application. No thank you.

Students can show up empty handed, receiver instruction and reload my components but none of that ammo is leaving with them. That's manufacturing and would require a FFL.

Again No one is serious about this stuff, I get one or two emails a year, Oh theres lots of Chatter about it but no serious takers. and it is cost, pure and simple. Millennial's want everything free, refuse to do their own home work, and expect the answers to life problems a mere google search away.

How many of these pages on the reloading board are ate up with "can someone recommend a load for (Fill in the blank cartridge)?? you guys have a sticky dedicated to this crap. WTF??? really?? Open a manual numb nuts.

When I started out reloading people guarded their loads like their wallets, now people just post that stuff up like it's cool. I'm all about sharing info, But this is a serious safety issue, and people just assume the recipient will follow the "remember all loads should be reduce 10% and worked up to." No one will do that with info published on the web that some guy says works in his rifle.
it's stupid. and few take reloading seriously, Yes it's safe If you know what the hell you are doing and can see the big picture, but if you are simply following directions like a recipe then you have no clue and you have no business reloading.

That last bit is primarily why I've stayed off this board, The idiocy is astounding. The lack of basic work ethic to figure stuff out, to do research, to invest in materials, books for gods sake, Not everything is on the web boys. The answer to life problems is between your ears not on some BS web page.

Sorry for the rant but I'm on the outside looking in and I don't like what i see going on here. If I was a Mod I'd delete that recipe list and make it a rule if you post a recommended load it will be taken down, do it twice and get the ban hammer. I will not be responsible for knowingly providing or facilitating unverified reloading data. Reason #1 why when you take my class you either bring your own manual or I supply you with one and we do not veer from it. if you want to test the limits of physics be my guest but not on my property.

[raffit78]

Thank you all for your overwhelming support and pm's through this.

I take in all of your experience in and do my best with humility. Ordered my first book and already half way through it.

Now the "hands on" experience will I'm sure be quite overwhelming at first but I'm looking forward to it.

With a family, I would hate to make any mistakes. I've already set up a few meetings/classes and can't wait to get started.

Knowledge is power and when your a rookie as myself, things get quite overwhelming and I'm sure all of you have been there.

So many tools and equipment, I don't have limitless about of money and would like to purchase good products once and make it last.

Thanks again to all the members, I'm on board and can't wait to be taught.




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