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  • gunprofit
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 557

    Reloading Handgun with new Dual Ring Carbide Sizer

    If you reload for your handguns and want to extend the life of your brass, also have a better looking product, Redding has introduced a new product.

    Redding Dual Ring Carbide Sizer Die for straight wall handgun cases. Pictured is a 357 Magnum cartridge. The one on the left has been resized with the new Dual Ring Sizer. The cartridge on the right has been resized with the Dillon Carbide Sizer. You can see the case is bulged. This comes from under-sizing. You are over working the brass. It is being resized down much smaller than it needs to be.



    (Below is a quote from Redding)

    Readding Dual Ring Carbide Sizing Dies are the correct answer to the compromise that has plagued traditional carbide dies of all manufacturers since their creation. The traditional sizing ring is required to perform double duty which it can not do. It is required to size the case sufficiently to secure the bullet (with even the thinnest brass) which all do with some success. From that point however, all traditional carbide dies resize the remainder of your cases excessively. The price of this compromise is shortened case life of your overworked brass, unsightly appearance and less than ideal chamber fit which may lead to an adverse effect on accuracy.

    The Redding solution is unique, incorporating two carbide rings within one sizing die. The upper ring is positioned to size only the bullet retention portion of the cartridge case while the other is configured to properly size the case body without overworking the brass. Your sized cases will not only look good and function better but brass life will increase.


    Personally, I think this is a significant improvement in reloading handgun cartridges. Just thought I would pass it on.





    Above is the link to Midway, who sells the dual ring sizers. Again, it is for straight wall handgun cartridges. They are expensive, but you will get some of your money back through extended case life. And, an improvement in your reloaded ammo.
    Last edited by gunprofit; 10-28-2016, 3:29 PM.
  • #2
    roc_my_tims
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 1521

    nice but at $110 man redding is pushing it. i'd rather buy 3k used 357 cases for around that price, load em til they split and move on.

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    • #3
      Bumslie
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      • Oct 2011
      • 5358

      They have been around for sometime. J-cat ( where is that guy, anyway?) Used to rave about them.

      IIRC, they only work on straight wall cartridges.

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      • #4
        stilly
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        • Jul 2009
        • 10685

        But I have grown to really getting turned on by the bullet panty lines...
        7 Billion people on the planet. They aint ALL gonna astronauts. Some will get hit by trains...

        Need GOOD SS pins to clean your brass? Try the new and improved model...



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        • #5
          huckberry668
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2007
          • 1502

          I wonder why Redding doesn't make one for 9x19. Maybe their regular 9x19 sizing die already sizes it tapered.

          The bulge is not a good thing for swaged soft lead bullets. It negatively affects precision of the bullets especially when you use mix headstamps. The case gets progressively thicker downward that the base of the bullet gets squeezed and deformed. I pulled a bunch of them and remeasured against new bullets to confirm. And this include the popular plated ones too.
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          • #6
            9mmepiphany
            Calguns Addict
            • Jul 2008
            • 8075

            Originally posted by roc_my_tims
            nice but at $110 man redding is pushing it.
            For $20 more, you can get the 3-die set. Midway doesn't have the best price, that die is closer to $80 elsewhere...I got my set from Natchez

            Originally posted by Bumslie
            They have been around for sometime.

            IIRC, they only work on straight wall cartridges.
            They have been around for some time and yes they only work with straight wall cases...which works really well if you load .45ACP, .40 or .38/.357; not so much with 9mm or other tapered cases.

            I recently got a set for .38Spl (not interchangeable with the .357Mag set) to load my competition ammo for IDPA. I got the Pro set, for progressive presses, not so much for the flared mouths but because the set consisted of a Sizing die, the Seating die, and the Crimp die. I'm using a Lyman M-die to expand.

            The finish on Redding dies is outstanding, adjustment precise, and they still come with the shot in the locking ring hole to protect the threads from the set screw.

            I have a friend who really went overboard. He loads .45ACP and not only has the Dual-Ring Sizing die, but also the Competition (micrometer) Seating and Crimp dies
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            • #7
              gunprofit
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 557

              Originally posted by huckberry668
              I wonder why Redding doesn't make one for 9x19. Maybe their regular 9x19 sizing die already sizes it tapered.

              The bulge is not a good thing for swaged soft lead bullets. It negatively affects precision of the bullets especially when you use mix headstamps. The case gets progressively thicker downward that the base of the bullet gets squeezed and deformed. I pulled a bunch of them and remeasured against new bullets to confirm. And this include the popular plated ones too.
              Huck, the 9mm cartridge case has a slight taper. It's not considered a straight wall cartridge case, therefore they don't offer it. I wish they could come up with a sizer for the 9mm. I agree with your statements, 100%

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              • #8
                huckberry668
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2007
                • 1502

                Originally posted by gunprofit
                Huck, the 9mm cartridge case has a slight taper. It's not considered a straight wall cartridge case, therefore they don't offer it. I wish they could come up with a sizer for the 9mm. I agree with your statements, 100%
                Hornady Dimension sizing die sizes 9x19 into the proper taper. I pegged it against my old RCBS, Dillon sizing dies and it came out perfect. The soft bullets don't change OD after I pulled them and no more bulges.
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                • #9
                  sofbak
                  Veteran Member
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 2628

                  Extend the life of your pistol brass? Overworking pistol brass? And the solution is an $80 to $100 new die........

                  Pffffft..... Most of us will lose 99 out of 100 cases long before they succumb to fatigue fracture from resizing.

                  And you can simply "neck size" straight wall cases if the "panty lines" bother you.
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                  • #10
                    TexasJackKin
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2014
                    • 718

                    Originally posted by sofbak
                    Extend the life of your pistol brass? Overworking pistol brass? And the solution is an $80 to $100 new die........

                    Pffffft..... Most of us will lose 99 out of 100 cases long before they succumb to fatigue fracture from resizing.

                    And you can simply "neck size" straight wall cases if the "panty lines" bother you.
                    I like that idea, think I'll give it a try.
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                    • #11
                      smoothy8500
                      Veteran Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 3846

                      Originally posted by gunprofit
                      They are expensive, but you will get some of your money back through extended case life. And, an improvement in your reloaded ammo.
                      "some".....if you're shooting a rare or obscure caliber that brass is a premium price.

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                      • #12
                        9mmepiphany
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 8075

                        Originally posted by sofbak
                        Extend the life of your pistol brass? Overworking pistol brass? And the solution is an $80 to $100 new die........

                        Pffffft..... Most of us will lose 99 out of 100 cases long before they succumb to fatigue fracture from resizing.
                        When you shoot a revolver...as in the OP...you lose a lot fewer cases

                        And you can simply "neck size" straight wall cases if the "panty lines" bother you.
                        Maybe that will work, I haven't tried it.

                        I'd prefer not to find out when case gauging my reloads, or worst, during a speed reload in competition
                        ...because the journey is the worthier part...The Shepherd's Tale

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                        • #13
                          bruce381
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 2452

                          ""I have a friend who really went overboard. He loads .45ACP and not only has the Dual-Ring Sizing die, but also the Competition (micrometer) Seating and Crimp dies""

                          When I run out of toys for loading I will doin the same.

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                          • #14
                            C.G.
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 8218

                            Wish they made one of those for .50 Beowulf.
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                            • #15
                              bergmen
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2011
                              • 2488

                              Originally posted by sofbak
                              And you can simply "neck size" straight wall cases if the "panty lines" bother you.
                              That might work if you only have one gun in a particular caliber. It didn't work when I tried that on my .45 Colt cases since I have four revolvers and two rifles in that caliber, all with slightly different chamber diameters.

                              Even though I "overwork" my brass and they look bulgy like the photo, I almost never lose straight walled brass due to "overworking", even with full house .45 Colt loads for the Rugers. I like the idea of the dual ring dies but I already have carbide resizing dies by RCBS for .32 ACP, .32 S&W Long, .38 Special/.357 Magnum (same die set), 9mm, .45 ACP, .45 Colt and .454 Casull.

                              Dan

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