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  • #16
    Voo
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 1702

    Originally posted by DesertDawg
    I've been shooting for 50+ years and haven't heard of any ranges that prohibit shooting hollowpoints
    Ive been shooting for some 20+ years and I've NEVER heard of a range disallowing hollow points either.. Not that I dont believe all of you, just that if you say "a lot of them don't allow it", I scratch my head.. Now i've shot TONS of steel at various IDPA/IPSC matches and the backstops of my home range have steel traps instead of rubberized aggregate berms.. I've been hit dozens and dozens of times both indoor and outdoor from bullets splattering.. I have ZERO idea if the stuff was JHP or FMJ roundnose.. Ive been cut, bruised, nicked, scratched, tickled, by richochets.. You shoot at enough steel, you'll get splatter/ricochets.. (definitely a moment to remind everyone to ALWAYS wear your eye protection) also i think the poster meant to say that ricochet's could occur, even with lead or FMJ ammo.. not that you'll magically get a jacket back from a non-jacketed lead/moly round :-)

    as for shooting JHPs vs FMJ (round noses or what have you) there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.. the only thing you might experience are feeding issues.. the lead exposed base is also somewhat true.. There's a lot of really hot gas behind that bullet and the heat tends to vaporize a portion of the lead as it pushes the bullet down the barrel.. Typically, JHPs have a covered base where as most FMJ RN projectiles leave it exposed despite the FMJ nomenclature.. the lead exposure is a losing battle.. you can reduce it, but it's hard to remove the lead from shooting sports..

    I wouldnt be thrilled about using range/reloaded ammo for home defense though.. Just because it's a hollowpoint does NOT mean that it will work and behave like the premium JHP's... Unless you have nothing else, I would try to use name brand, self defense ammo..

    If the price for FMJ and JHP are the same, I would go with JHP almost every time.. Since it's range ammo, you'll have the benefit of shooting both cleaner, and somewhat more accurate ammo.. Honestly though, the splatter issue is somewhat moot.. It rarely ever happens and of all the people I know who shoot competitively at a National level, its not a determining factor at all in the type of ammo they'll use..
    Last edited by Voo; 01-21-2009, 7:03 AM.
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    • #17
      sargenv
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 4620

      I've been hit with jacket material, I've been hit by lead fragments, and I've been hit by powder coming out of the cylinder gap (well, I suspect it's powder, it might be lead shaving off bullets) of a revolver. I've been hit by ricocheting lead, I've been plunked by a flattened bullet coming off another range (from quite some distance). Sometimes it smarts.. sometimes it gets your attention. I've seen what a jacket coming back at someone do to skin (popper was damaged and was focusing it back at the shooters) and it wasn't pretty.. TMC was caught by a jacket that sliced him under his chin.. Bad enough that he called "Stop" to the shooter, clasped the slice on his chin, handed the timer off to someone else and ran to the first aid kit on the range.

      I've seen a lot of different things happen.. I've felt buck shot whiz past me after hitting a somewhat hard surface downrange.. (Steel targets). I've also been hit by pellets with enough speed on them to sting me (100 yards, #8's). It really doesn't matter if it is made of lead, lead jacketed, frangible, or fmj.. I've seen what happens to FMJ's when they impact steel targets.. they can flatten out just as well as a soft or hollow point.

      There used to be an indoor range around the north bay area that only allowed lead bullets and no magnums.. they've since gone out of business. Bullets can do strange things and to say with certainty that they will do XXX is merely stating an opinion since sometimes they can make monkeys out of all of us

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      • #18
        glockfu
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2006
        • 601

        I havent asked because I was trying to desipher what you guys are talking about but with all this discussion I have to ask... What are you guys talking about?

        What part is coming back and hitting you? What would cause what ever piece it is to come back and hit you and why does it matter if it is HP or FMJ? Im the OP but now don't know what you guys are talking about Can someone please explain?

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        • #19
          xxdabroxx
          Veteran Member
          • Apr 2008
          • 3392

          a hollow point by design expands, and they are discussing that it is more likely for a hollow point to fragment and ricochet.
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          • #20
            glockfu
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2006
            • 601

            Originally posted by xxdabroxx
            a hollow point by design expands, and they are discussing that it is more likely for a hollow point to fragment and ricochet.
            ahhhh ok... thanks! Would this still happen when shooting at an indoor range? When not shooting at steel targets.

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            • #21
              Sig226
              Member
              • Dec 2005
              • 459

              Absolutely. I've seen it happen when people shoot/hit the target hangers, also one possibility is that the bullet trap isn't functioning properly.

              This has happened before, but the pics below show one instance when this happened to me at Sharpshooters in Torrance.

              Sorry for the horrible pics--I only had my crappy camera phone at the time.

              Round that ricocheted/came out of the trap which retained quite a bit of the original bullet mass:



              And my arm a couple hours later:


              (No girlie man jokes---I work in the computer industry--its required. )
              It actually wasn't that bad of a cut, but it DID turn into one naaasty bruise the next day.


              This is exactly why good eye protection is needed every second spent on the "line".
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              • #22
                mecam
                Veteran Member
                • Jun 2007
                • 4049

                HPs has too much toxic lead in the air.
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                • #23
                  TKM
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                  • #24
                    QuarterBoreGunner
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                    • Oct 2005
                    • 9389

                    HPs has too much toxic lead in the air.
                    Ah yeah no, the most lead that occurs in shooting is from the lead styphnate from the primer, not the projectile.

                    And there's really no way around that except good ventilation.
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                    • #25
                      Scout2Diesel
                      Member
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 463

                      No HP's @ Firing Line...

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