Neck Sizing only?

[rksimple]

If reduction of powder is a concern, then shoot pistol powder with a cast load, just like I described.

+1. Its simple and super cheap.

[sargenv]

For subsonic loads I'd reccomend a fluffy powder designed for lead bullets. The only one I know of like that is Trail Boss. I use it successfully in my 30-30 with 165 gr lead bullets. 8.5 gr gets me about 1150 fps, just supersonic, if I wanted to make it subsonic, I'd drop it down to say 7.5 gr and re-chrono. The 8.5 gr load fills the case about 65%. I get about 460 ish rounds out of a 9 ounce can of Trail Boss. It is so fluffy they can only get 9 ounces of the stuff in a can meant for 1 pound of other powders. The 5 pound can of it is meant for 8 pound cans of other powders.

Normally for any rifle load I'd only reccomend rifle primers but I did an experiment with my 30-30 and large pistol primers work fine in this reduced load. I've not had any ignition problems or overpressure signs at all with trail boss and lead bullets. YMMV.

[brando]

That or get a .22LR upper.

[Snapping Twig]

You want subsonic loads for cast boolits?

Sign up here:

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[nobs11]

FL sizing elongate the brass more than just neck sizing. So, more likely, you would need to trim the brass. And I hate trimming my brass, cuz I don't have a Giruaud....

Dillon 1200. Get yourself a single stage press and set it up with a Dillon 1200. I trim/size in the Dillon and then back out my FL sizer in the Hornady LnL AP so that I don't FL size again.

Less than 1/3 the price of a Giraud and works pretty fast. None of that trim by hand crap, muck around with a drill, screw/unscrew cases, etc that takes forever on the Lee/Wilson/other trimmers.

[Tho_Sun]

Dillon 1200. Get yourself a single stage press and set it up with a Dillon 1200. I trim/size in the Dillon and then back out my FL sizer in the Hornady LnL AP so that I don't FL size again.

Less than 1/3 the price of a Giraud and works pretty fast. None of that trim by hand crap, muck around with a drill, screw/unscrew cases, etc that takes forever on the Lee/Wilson/other trimmers.

Thanks for the advise, I'll look into the dillon, sounds expensive though.

If anyone has any recipies for w231 with lead bullets for 7.62x54r for my nagant, let me know.

Just to let you know Ocaja, it's a project barreled receiver I worked up. I don't appreciate the disrespect of my failure to see what you assumed wrong as well as your thread bashing. Even if I did decide to fix up a M39 because they have a truer reciver and heavy barrel, that would be my choice. But I'm not going that route. I'm not butchering anything. I'm taking old parts of a rifle no one wants and bringing it back to life in my design. It's a 91/30 just to let you know. I decided to chop the barrel to reduce the recoil so I can shoot all day without shooting fatigue as well as for a lighter rifle to shoot off hand. It maybe more worth it in your eyes to keep things original but please do not frown down on my for doing what I want to my rifle. Thank you~

[ocabj]

I think you need to get some reloading manuals, the NRA Guide to Reloading, and the ABCs of Reloading before you even continue on. You asked a wide range of questions which would have been answered by those manuals and books. Not to mention, you're going back and forth on the opinions already given to you.

I recommended pistol powders for cast loads for a very light load and you dismissed the idea for pistol powders simply based on the notion that you're "not a professional". But then later on you ask about W231 with cast bullets for the 7.62x54R, which W231 *is* a pistol powder.

As far as my comment on the butchering of the rifle, I'm sorry if you feel offended, but that's going to be my response to anyone that gives a vague reference to a configuration of a rifle such as the one you mentioned. You are the only person I have ever heard of who has a 12" M39 barrel with a welded 4" muzzle brake.

But my opinion of a 12" barrel + muzzle brake still applies. That thing is going to be pretty annoying to anyone shooting next to you, so you shouldn't base any sort of load development on the notion of trying to keep the gun less annoying to others when it's fired. Yes, load for comfort for yourself, but forget trying to load for the comfort of others in this situation.

[Tho_Sun]

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=29075&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=207c94ec7bd8860934a2205975fc63e5

I would use a M39 for a build like the link above, not the route I'm going. A tool for every job. Thanks for the advise on the reloading manuals. When I have extra money, I'll pick them up. Till then, I hope there will be more experienced and friendly people out there willing to point me in the right direction.

There are plenty of people out there like me~

[dix0r]

ok, so at this point i feel that i know the answer to this, but i still need to hear it from others... i'm new to reloading and i'm in the mindset that i need to be 110% certain of everything before proceeding :]

there isn't any danger in neck sizing only for a semi-auto, correct? i understand that it's not recommended - but is that purely because of the potential feeding issues?

or, more to the point i suppose - might one be able to get away with neck sizing only for an AR chambered in 5.56? or does the longer throat even make a difference, since the brass is still fire-formed?

and, sorry to bring back an older thread...

[ocabj]

there isn't any danger in neck sizing only for a semi-auto, correct? i understand that it's not recommended - but is that purely because of the potential feeding issues?

or, more to the point i suppose - might one be able to get away with neck sizing only for an AR chambered in 5.56? or does the longer throat even make a difference, since the brass is still fire-formed?

and, sorry to bring back an older thread...

Well, there is the *danger* that you're neck only sized brass will result in a stuck round in the chamber that you'll have to mallet out. That round will most likely not fire since it will be too large for the chamber and thus, the bolt will be out of battery.

Get the NRA Guide to Reloading. The first pages in that guide explain what a cartridge is and what happens when a cartridge is fired. Once you learn that, it is hoped that you understand what you need to do to reuse a casing properly.