.50 DTC

[RickD427]

I searched on CH4D and browsing their website seems kind of a nightmare. Could not find anything in DTC.

I read online that the EDM is the standard.

I sent Mr. Kubota a PM.

Thank you!

The CH4D website can be kinda hard to navigate if you try to scroll through the pages for your die set.

The site works a lot better when you use the search function on their "Caliber List" page. I entered "DTC" and it took me right there.

I'd caution you about the Serbu. Do a little research and you'll find a bunch of better weapons out there. What type of shooting do you want to do?

[LynnJr]

I agree with Randall's post about the owner.
That said he is offering a Shot Show special at around $875 even though I can't find it on his website yet.

[JMP]

CH4D sells the dies and a few posters here reload for it.

Eric Danus from DanTec Corporation in France gave us his design after the 50 BMG was banned. A screw up on reading his prints gave us the 510 DTC and the EDM version. One version has a conventional shoulder while the other has some radius built into it. There is no difference in load data between the two versions.
It also uses standard 50 BMG load data.

That is accurate, and I think we can all agree that cases with crisp shoulders have a nicer appearance--I like the Europa. I don't like those ugly rounded Weatherby looking cases.

The dies are kind of big. Here's a 50 seating die next to a regular short action rifle die. Guys that shoot 50s are definitely compensating for something.

[NaughtyMonkey]

The CH4D website can be kinda hard to navigate if you try to scroll through the pages for your die set.

The site works a lot better when you use the search function on their "Caliber List" page. I entered "DTC" and it took me right there.

I'd caution you about the Serbu. Do a little research and you'll find a bunch of better weapons out there. What type of shooting do you want to do?

Just plinking mainly. Most of my Rifles are from WWII or older. Just wanted to own a large caliber rifle and figured this is about as big as it gets. Just a cheap shooter. I don't do competitions or anything like that.

[RickD427]

Just plinking mainly. Most of my Rifles are from WWII or older. Just wanted to own a large caliber rifle and figured this is about as big as it gets. Just a cheap shooter. I don't do competitions or anything like that.

OK, That helps.

If you're looking for a complete rifle, I'd really steer you toward the Barrett model 99, or the various versions of the Iver Johnson (although I'm not sure if you can get one in .510 DTC).

I'm not very knowlegable about the Serbu, but I don't see it being a top choice.

Stay far away from Hesse and Vulcan.

If you have an AR-15 RAW lower, you can fit a .50 BMG upper to it and still be legal. You'll find a lot more ammo availability in .50 BMG, especially in "plinking" quality ammo. Ferret makes a good conversion upper. You may also want to check out the ALS conversion (http://www.50bmg.net/).

You're talking about a powerful weapon here, I would not compromise on safety and the quality of your build.

[NaughtyMonkey]

OK, That helps.

If you're looking for a complete rifle, I'd really steer you toward the Barrett model 99, or the various versions of the Iver Johnson (although I'm not sure if you can get one in .510 DTC).

I'm not very knowlegable about the Serbu, but I don't see it being a top choice.

Stay far away from Hesse and Vulcan.

If you have an AR-15 RAW lower, you can fit a .50 BMG upper to it and still be legal. You'll find a lot more ammo availability in .50 BMG, especially in "plinking" quality ammo. Ferret makes a good conversion upper. You may also want to check out the ALS conversion (http://www.50bmg.net/).

You're talking about a powerful weapon here, I would not compromise on safety and the quality of your build.

What exactly do you mean by RAW? How exactly would this be legal. Wouldn't this be manufacturing a .50 BMG which is illegal in California.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=43107

[RickD427]

What exactly do you mean by RAW? How exactly would this be legal. Wouldn't this be manufacturing a .50 BMG which is illegal in California.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ad.php?t=43107

"RAW" is the acronym for "Registered Assault Weapon."

California has no law that prohibits the manufacture of a .50 BMG weapon.

California does have a law that makes it a felony to manufacture, or to possess a .50 BMG Rifle. Please refer to Penal Code section 30600(a). (Note carefully the legal distinction between a .50 BMG weapon and a .50 BMG Rifle)

The term ".50 BMG Rifle" is defined in statute, and the definition is kinda contrary to the common understanding of the term, but it's the statutory definition that counts. Here is the text (Penal Code section 30530(a)):

and is not already an assault weapon or a machinegun."

When you place a .50 BMG upper on a RAW lower, the weapon is already an "Assault Weapon", and one that is legally possessed by virtue of the registration (assuming no other prohibiting factors). Therefore it is not a ".50 BMG Rifle" under the statute, even though it is a rifle that fires the .50 BMG cartridge.

[NaughtyMonkey]

Well I don't have a "RAW" and wasn't the deadline to register these back in 2005? So this does me no good. But I have found several sites that do .50 DTC uppers.

[CSACANNONEER]

OK, That helps.

If you're looking for a complete rifle, I'd really steer you toward the Barrett model 99,

Why a model 99? They cost more than several other rifles which consistently shoot better. Is their something I'm missing about the 99s?

[Rockit]

Well I don't have a "RAW" and wasn't the deadline to register these back in 2005? So this does me no good. But I have found several sites that do .50 DTC uppers.

I have RAW's but still went the DTC route because I didn't want to put them at risk.
I went with the Ferret and have been extremely pleased with the quality, safety and performance.

[ar15barrels]

Why a model 99?
They cost more than several other rifles which consistently shoot better.
Is their something I'm missing about the 99s?

Brand recognition goes far in selling overpriced sub-par rifles to unknowing consumers.

[RickD427]

Why a model 99? They cost more than several other rifles which consistently shoot better. Is their something I'm missing about the 99s?

Brand recognition goes far in selling overpriced sub-par rifles to unknowing consumers.

There's nothing special about the Model 99. It's one of several weapons that I recommended to the OP so that he could evaluate and make an appropriate decision.

While it may be at a higher price point that some other rifles, Barrett does offer some pretty good product support and his rifles don't seem to blow up as often as the Hesse and Vulcan products. I haven't seen any evidence that would support calling the Barrett product "sub-par." There's a lot of good product out there, and a lot of not-so-good product.

I'm not a Barrett owner. My only bolt guns are based on Remington 700 actions or McMillan.

[CSACANNONEER]

There's nothing special about the Model 99. It's one of several weapons that I recommended to the OP so that he could evaluate and make an appropriate decision.

While it may be at a higher price point that some other rifles, Barrett does offer some pretty good product support and his rifles don't seem to blow up as often as the Hesse and Vulcan products. I haven't seen any evidence that would support calling the Barrett product "sub-par." There's a lot of good product out there, and a lot of not-so-good product.

I'm not a Barrett owner. My only bolt guns are based on Remington 700 actions or McMillan.

Don't get me wrong, Barrett M99s are quality plinking rifles but, they are a bit overpriced due to name recognition and, there are better shooting 50BMGs available that cost less and are easier to customize.

BTW, I know of one highly respected ammunition manufacture who does, or did, own and use a couple Vulcan 50s to test his ammo during load development. He figures that if his ammo will safely fire in Vulcan, it will be safe to fire in any gun.

[gunrus]

Can you make a 50 bmg with a spade handle?

[ar15barrels]

Can you make a 50 bmg with a spade handle?

Yes.