Paging Chargemaster owners

[BigJ]

Anyone out there know how to disable/turn off the counter shown during auto dispense (its shown after the charge has been thrown and before showing the live weight)? There's about 4 seconds of time wasted in the process because it wants to show you the counter before returning to the live scale display. If that counter can be turned off (or maybe set how long the counter is shown to 0?) lots of wasted time could be saved.

Any thoughts?

[capitol]

My thoughts? Get a second Chargemaster.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1146579

[BigJ]

Yup, already have 2. Both have been reprogrammed and have the McD straw mod as well, which sped them up considerably, which in turn makes the stupid counter display delay stand out even more.

Working together my wife and I can get thru 200x 223 rounds an hour (190x or so 308/3006 rounds). If we could eliminate the counter display, that would jump to 275 or even probably 300 per hour.

I really don't want to buy a third Chargemaster just because of that counter...

[SoCalGoldenBearsHPRClub]

Yup, already have 2. Both have been reprogrammed and have the McD straw mod as well, which sped them up considerably, which in turn makes the stupid counter display delay stand out even more.

Working together my wife and I can get thru 200x 223 rounds an hour (190x or so 308/3006 rounds). If we could eliminate the counter display, that would jump to 275 or even probably 300 per hour.

I really don't want to buy a third Chargemaster just because of that counter...

If you need ammo that quick, then progressive the way to go.

I programmed the Chargemaster (based on powders and expected charge that I use) and it's just right. From the time I pick up the charged pan to the time I position a bullet on the case mouth for seating, the powder dispensing for the next case is almost done. There is a bit of a lag time but it's not that "offensive."

Batch process for powder charging makes you think too much.

Another way of looking at this issue is that you need to get another press to compliment the Chargemaster.

[BigJ]

If you need ammo that quick, then progressive the way to go.

I programmed the Chargemaster (based on powders and expected charge that I use) and it's just right. From the time I pick up the charged pan to the time I position a bullet on the case mouth for seating, the powder dispensing for the next case is almost done. There is a bit of a lag time but it's not that "offensive."

Batch process for powder charging makes you think too much.

Another way of looking at this issue is that you need to get another press to compliment the Chargemaster.

I hear ya. But our process is a bit different. When we work together, she'll throw 50 cases worth, then hand the tray off to me to seat using a RockChucker. I end up waiting on her, and she ends up waiting on the Chargemasters.

When I work alone, I'll throw a charge and move the case directly to the press to seat a bullet (no batch processing when alone), and I too end up waiting on the Chargemasters. Not a lot, but enough to be annoying.

Here's a shot of how things are set when I'm solo. When we work together, the CMs will be slid over to the left, one on each side of the tray she's working on.



We both are service rifle competitors and as you might imagine, we chew thru ammo. So if we can throw 300 in an hour, that means we only spend 3 or 4 hours a month reloading, instead of 200 per hour meaning 5 or 6 hours. Doesn't sound like a lot, but month after month, it ads up.

PS: Nothing against progressives, and we might go there one day, but our experiments so far with others' equipment hasn't resulted in the accuracy/repeatability in charge or seating depth we're comfortable with.

[SoCalGoldenBearsHPRClub]

Ok, so if you want to stick with 2 CMs and 1 RC, then, yeah, the wait time is very noticable.

For me, I played around with the speed settings that I cut down the wait time for the slow trickle. Currently, I use IMR 4064 for 77s and 80s.

Also, sprarying static guard on the bench helps a lot.

Rifle brass processing is a pain - thumble, size, thumble again, and trim.

Charging and seating are easier.

[BigJ]

Ok, so if you want to stick with 2 CMs and 1 RC, then, yeah, the wait time is very noticable.

For me, I played around with the speed settings that I cut down the wait time for the slow trickle. Currently, I use IMR 4064 for 77s and 80s.

Also, sprarying static guard on the bench helps a lot.

Good tip on the static guard. Keeping a used dryer sheet in the reservoir helps too.

After tweaking our settings and 'tuning' the McD straws, we're running at right about 18 seconds per throw of 23.8g N140 right now (including waiting to see the weight reverified after the count display). We figure if we can get rid of that count display, our time per would cut to about 13 seconds, which both of us can still keep up with.

Rifle brass processing is a pain - thumble, size, thumble again, and trim.

Charging and seating are easier.

Aint that the truth. And we anneal every time too. We got spoiled having Doug do it all (308warbird/BravoBrass on USRT) but with his heath issues sidelining him for the time being, we've had to start doing it again ourselves. Not my favorite thing in the world, to say the least.

[SoCalGoldenBearsHPRClub]

With once fired LC brass I use, currently, I load and use for six times then the brass is tossed/recycled.

If you are using a match rifle for XTC and are using Norma or Lapua, then I can see the reason for annealing.

No need to anneal brass for a service rifle plus I know folks who use a Dillon for their ammo.

[BigJ]

With once fired LC brass I use, currently, I load and use for six times then the brass is tossed/recycled.

If you are using a match rifle for XTC and are using Norma or Lapua, then I can see the reason for annealing.

No need to anneal brass for a service rifle plus I know folks who use a Dillon for their ammo.

LC here and tossed after 6 here too. I shoot an A4 and she shoots an A2 for XTC; both hoping to start earning leg points next year (with irons; neither of us are fans of the new rules, although we do understand the need for 'em)

You're 100% right regarding both the progressive and annealing. We are way overkilling things, no doubt about it. Buuuuttt... seeing what the same steps have done for our long range accuracy (out of bolt guns to 1k, where the little stuff really matters)... lets just say its a confidence-on-the-line thing, knowing we've made ammo capable of far more accuracy than we are.

[BigJ]

By the way here's the annealer we use. All the complaining aside, it does a wonderful job and makes short work of the task (once dialed in; use 750deg F Tempilaq to figure out how long each caliber/headstamp needs under the flame). Can't recommend it enough.

[highpower790]

Don't over think how you load for a service rifle! +/- .2 from a powder drop is fine.Would you rather spend more time reloading or shooting.

[BigJ]

Don't over think how you load for a service rifle! +/- .2 from a powder drop is fine.Would you rather spend more time reloading or shooting.

Yuuup! Tis why I'm asking if anyone knows how to shave off the wasted time with the CMs; less time reloading = more trigger time.

Speaking of which, we gonna see you tomorrow in Sac?

[highpower790]

Yuuup! Tis why I'm asking if anyone knows how to shave off the wasted time with the CMs; less time reloading = more trigger time.

Speaking of which, we gonna see you tomorrow in Sac?

What is in Sac tomorrow?I think Im going to stay home to watch football and clean a couple firearms.

[BigJ]

What is in Sac tomorrow?I think Im going to stay home to watch football and clean a couple firearms.

Their Semi-Auto Military Rifle Silhouette Match. They host one every couple of months. Smacking those steel turkeys chickens piggies and rams around is a lot of fun

http://www.sacvalley.org/clubs/semi_auto_military_rifle_silhouette.html

[highpower790]

Their Semi-Auto Military Rifle Silhouette Match. They host one every couple of months. Smacking those steel turkeys chickens piggies and rams around is a lot of fun

http://www.sacvalley.org/clubs/semi_...ilhouette.html

Staying home to watch football!Shooting silhouette involves a little bit of patience waiting for your relay,plus Ill be a lot warmer at home.