Smoke from lead ammo

[dezertrat21]

I am testing out some polymer coated lead projectiles. I loaded a bunch of test loads ranging from 3.0 grain to 4.0 grain of titegroup. I noticed that after shooting 5 test rounds the booth area around is really smokey in the range. I trird out my normal reload with copper plating and no smoke with the same type if powder and primer. I am planning on testing lower charges due to the gun still fully functioning. I have not done any chrono tests with them so i dont have specs The polymer lead projectiles are 125g and the copper plated are 115g. The gun specs are a stock S&W M&P 9mm. My question is with shooting polymer lead projectiles is smoke going to always be an issue or is there a solution maybe a different powder or lower powder charge?

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[hermosabeach]

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I have not heard of any powder coating burning and smoking...

[trackcage]

OP, are you referring to the coated lead projectiles like bayou bullets and the like?

[Red9]

Yes,
I want to know too. I just ran about 400 rounds, of bear creek moly .40. Looked like i was shooting a black powder pistol.
.40 sw, 4.0-4.7 gr titegroup, also the same with 6.0 gr of Hs6.
No smoke with the copper plated Xtreme, but man o man did i have smoke from the bc's.

[dezertrat21]

not sure what type of coating Bayou bullets used. I attached a pic of the actual projectile i have been testing with.
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[Psychbiker]

Hey, you're an East Bay'er!

Bear Creek are known for smoking. They smoke less than lead. They moly coat is probably not thick or just what happens with moly coated bullets.

Those that powder coat their own or buy powder coated state little to know smoke.

[opos]

I recently went to a "high tech coated" Missouri 45 cal bullet...I have shot the same bullet in straight lead with the blue crayola lube for a long time..the straight lead with the lube is really smokey...the coated bullets are almost smoke free.

Any chance you are shaving the coating when loading? Might be exposing some lead but the smoke is usually the lube and not necessarily the lead itself..might shop around. I have heard the Moly coating is smokey.

[roc_my_tims]

Yep i loaded up some bear creek 45 acp with hp38 and got a good amount of smoke im not used to from xtreme plated.

Gonna use up the box and most likely stick to plated. The cost savings is $10/box at most.

[BigBronco]

That Moly in the Bayou bullets is Molybdenum. Molybdenum when added to a grease makes an excellent lubricant. However it is only an additive. Molly bullets are not 100% molybdenum coated. It is merely an additive in the grease based lubricant added to the compound applied to the bullet surface. It is the grease that is making the smoke.


For polymer coated bullets you might want to give these a try.

http://www.egglestonmunitions.com/

[Carcassonne]

I have never shot powder-coated bullets, so I have no experience with them. I have shot cast lead bullets with different types of wax, and Alox. The wax, and Alox, coated bullets will smoke, but not as bad as black powder.

I have always been skeptical about powder coated bullets. Some of the pigments used to color the paint are made with chromium or cadmium. Both of those elements are toxic. Lead in your blood stream can be eventually flushed out. Cadmium and Chromium can not.




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[stilly]

I have never shot powder-coated bullets, so I have no experience with them. I have shot cast lead bullets with different types of wax, and Alox. The wax, and Alox, coated bullets will smoke, but not as bad as black powder.

I have always been skeptical about powder coated bullets. Some of the pigments used to color the paint are made with chromium or cadmium. Both of those elements are toxic. Lead in your blood stream can be eventually flushed out. Cadmium and Chromium can not.

Well then do not be licking your fingers after each batch of PC you whip up...

I do not notice much smoke from any of my PC pills though. I dunno what OP is using, but maybe they should try actual PC pills...

[Red9]

Hey, you're an East Bay'er!

Bear Creek are known for smoking. They smoke less than lead. They moly coat is probably not thick or just what happens with moly coated bullets.

Those that powder coat their own or buy powder coated state little to know smoke.

Im a eastbayer

[dezertrat21]

I tried testing with the polymer coated due to cost at first and reputation from my wifes boss. I lost my connection to cheap projectiles and decided to try them out. The company is some what local to me so i thought i would give them a shot. But now i found a new connection where the cost is now opposite where i can get the xtreme projectiles $3 cheaper when i buy bulk. Definately going to just shoot copper plated in the range and do more testing with the poly coated once i can shoot outdoors again.

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[rmatt]

Titegroup is notorious for making moly coated bullets smoke. Change your powder or change your projectile.

[Carcassonne]

Well then do not be licking your fingers after each batch of PC you whip up...

I do not notice much smoke from any of my PC pills though. I dunno what OP is using, but maybe they should try actual PC pills...

Actually licking a bullet probably wouldn't be a problem. It is when heat and friction causes the pigment to vaporize and then inhaled that would cause the problem.


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