Reloading 308 for bolt gun, Die Question

[milotrain]

I always use my real name.

This right here.

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When they let people use an alias you see this type of behaviour so I always use my real name.

Are you famous?

[ar15barrels]

I always use my real name.

Same here.

[Metal God]

I always use my real name.

Me too , well half of it's my real name but my friends call me Lord , haha I couldn't resist

[milotrain]

Are you famous?

The fact that he's not famous is why it's important. It's easy to trade on a name, but when he first showed up around here people gave him **** because he kept recommending benchrest styles and solutions to problems. Then everyone started realizing that he knew what he was talking about. One only needs to look at the 4chan firearms forum to see what a lack of accountability does to community advice. Similarly on the nationalmatch forums you have to use your real name, and most people are on the competition tracker so you know when someone who is giving you advice is a High Master or an Expert.

There is a lot of BS floating around this forum and the gun community in general. It takes a fair bit of work to cut through it unless you get lucky enough to have a mentor who really knows what he/she is talking about.

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The fact that he's not famous is why it's important. It's easy to trade on a name, but when he first showed up around here people gave him **** because he kept recommending benchrest styles and solutions to problems. Then everyone started realizing that he knew what he was talking about. One only needs to look at the 4chan firearms forum to see what a lack of accountability does to community advice. Similarly on the nationalmatch forums you have to use your real name, and most people are on the competition tracker so you know when someone who is giving you advice is a High Master or an Expert.

There is a lot of BS floating around this forum and the gun community in general. It takes a fair bit of work to cut through it unless you get lucky enough to have a mentor who really knows what he/she is talking about.

Yeah, I do remember seeing him post stuff that was right in the past, Then get dog piled on and his post were deleted, but unless you're famous or have a business, I don't see where a real name matters and that may not matter either. Your name on here is your name on here. Mine is my initials and I can't change it as far as I know

I do agree there is a lot of BS on forums. There is BS in magazines too, at least on a forum you can talk about it

[milotrain]

Yeah, I do remember seeing him post stuff that was right in the past, Then get dog piled on and his post were deleted, but unless you're famous or have a business, I don't see where a real name matters and that may not matter either. Your name on here is your name on here. Mine is my initials and I can't change it as far as I know

I do agree there is a lot of BS on forums. There is BS in magazines too, at least on a forum you can talk about it

Yeah I get that, I like names because it seems to mentally make me check myself before being a dick. Keeps me honest, so I hope it does the same for others but I understand that many people might not feel that way. If you use the same name for a lot of forums I doubt it matters, like you say.

There are a lot of toys and you can spend a lot of money on the new bourgeoisie sh*t, but it doesn't always matter. That's one thing I really like about Lynn's posts and Randall's posts. People will say the 700 is a crappy action but the chambering job is the most important, and while that's not the best way to sell new **** it's true. People will say you need the fanciest scale and a NECO-Audette tool to measure your brass, but the truth is that unless you are losing by Xs or shooting benchrest you can usually load what you want to shoot on a progressive. 90% of reloading is about the bullet selection, but that doesn't sell reloading tools.

All of this comes down to one really obvious truth: People want to shoot better, and they either don't have the time or inclination to practice so they try and buy points. Most of the firearm's industry is about selling you those "points". There are things that matter, and a lot of people don't want to hear that it's the nut behind the rifle.

[ar15barrels]

unless you're famous or have a business, I don't see where a real name matters and that may not matter either. Your name on here is your name on here. Mine is my initials and I can't change it as far as I know

I do agree there is a lot of BS on forums.

The BS comes with anonymity.
On forums where they require real names, the good-info to bad-info ratio is MUCH higher than on anonymous forums.

[ar15barrels]

Yeah I get that, I like names because it seems to mentally make me check myself before being a dick. Keeps me honest,

Nailed it.

[liber]

Nailed it.

So LynnJr is not an anomaly?

Is milotrain not an anomaly?

Not trying to be a d!@$, but what I see today is LynnJr running around pounding his chest telling me how crappy my reloads are and how great his are, and only 1 fired in his awesome rifle yesterday.

[milotrain]

liber,

I don't think Lynn ever said that your reloads were crappy. He did say that no one should be arguing about caliper manufacturers (he's right). Remember we are all people, I go to the range and deal with a few salty old guys and they are good people with good info but you have to accept that they are a bit salty. Then there is the quiet guy who you really want to tell you what he does but his style is his and he doesn't share. Then there is the guy who tells everyone how to do everything and he's super nice, very helpful but maybe he doesn't know what he thinks he does.

A forum is a group of people, LynnJr is a bit salty about stuff but his data passes the sniff test. I can't speak for myself, obviously I'm biased. I am salty about the fact that most people don't want to do the practice work, they'd rather spend time on a forum and buying tools. I'm guilty of that myself, I've spent two years not chambering barrels but instead buying **** I didn't need and talking on the internet. I'm a little nervous that I'm going to screw something up and it's the summer so the garage is hot, and I am waiting on more correct tolling and I just crashed my good threading insert, and and and. But I know it's BS, I know that I just need to practice. I know this because I shot some of the best scores of my life (at 600 yards with a .223) with ammo I loaded on a progressive, left in a box, forgot what the load was and never checked the seating depth. On a rifle that hasn't been cleaned in 500 rounds and has at least 3000 rounds on the barrel. It was a 196-4x on Wilcox range at Pendleton. I had 3 minutes of left on the gun and while the flags told me that it was a full to 2:30 shifty I was able to surf across the 10 ring and only dropped 4 nines, I didn't touch the sights. That's not because I can read wind, it's because I hold like a MotherFu*ker in prone, because I've been practicing in prone when it's hot and I'm sweaty and it sucks, not because of my fancy reloads.

I honestly think that LynnJr and I are just trying to save the OP (and others) the hassle of going down the same rabbit hole that so many people are already halfway down and keep yelling up that it's going to be great when they get to the bottom. Pro Tip: It's not awesome.

[liber]

I don't think Lynn ever said that your reloads were crappy. He did say that no one should be arguing about caliper manufacturers (he's right).

It very similar, our tools are what we use to reload. For better or worse, what we have is what we use. This goes for everything.

I'm just saying that for someone that constantly claims to be here to help people, part of the time his ego takes over and he's quick to toss some people under the bus.

A forum is a group of people, LynnJr is a bit salty about stuff but his data passes the sniff test. I can't speak for myself, obviously I'm biased. I am salty about the fact that most people don't want to do the practice work, they'd rather spend time on a forum and buying tools. I'm guilty of that myself, I've spent two years not chambering barrels but instead buying **** I didn't need and talking on the internet.

I'm pretty sure you meant that you CAN speak for yourself only. I have done the same, but that doesn't change the fact that people like me are here to learn also, and that doesn't mean that we're here to reload the same ammo that LynnJr or JMP are, not everyone is shooting that range or trying to achieve such a high standard in their reloads.

I'm perfectly happy with my Dillon, yet both of them will continue to throw that in my face on how the ammo is less than adequate and wouldn't meet their standards. I get that, but I think something they fail to realize is that not everyone is trying to split a nat's @$$ into atoms.

I'm a little nervous that I'm going to screw something up and it's the summer so the garage is hot, and I am waiting on more correct tolling and I just crashed my good threading insert, and and and. But I know it's BS, I know that I just need to practice.

I completely agree, and don't be nervous, take the step and try it. If you make a mistake it's not the end of the world, buy another barrel. Buy a few barrels and you're sure to get good at it. You don't seem like a dumb guy, I'm pretty sure you would learn quicker than you give yourself credit for.

I know this because I shot some of the best scores of my life (at 600 yards with a .223) with ammo I loaded on a progressive, left in a box, forgot what the load was and never checked the seating depth. On a rifle that hasn't been cleaned in 500 rounds and has at least 3000 rounds on the barrel.

You just said the P world. You actually used a p********** to load your ammo? Tsk, tsk, tsk...

I honestly think that LynnJr and I are just trying to save the OP (and others) the hassle of going down the same rabbit hole that so many people are already halfway down and keep yelling up that it's going to be great when they get to the bottom. Pro Tip: It's not awesome.

Sometimes what I observe here is a peculiar way of helping people. Just sayin'...

I'm not complaining, calguns is a salty place, but it's a two way street.

[milotrain]

Yeah I get what you are saying. It isn't always the most friendly place. I actually did mean I can't speak for myself. I'm a totally biased observer in that case, I'm less biased as an observer of others. The thing I've always gotten from JMP and Lynn is an expectation of a certain level of consistency, not a need for certain tools. They both seem to think that the tool is really unnecessary as long as the consistency is there. Lynn has spoken before about metering his powder with his fingers because it's easier than using some expensive Auto Powder Trickler. And JMP is a huge proponent of Lapua bullets because their base to ogive dimension is so consistent that you don't need all the tools you would normally need to sort bullets. Similarly you can run Lapua brass and not bother neck turning.

Their recommendations often save people time and money, and a lot of people for better or worse show up saying "I want to shoot 1000 yards" and so they get advice to load for 1000 yards even though really they are going to sit at a bench at Angeles and ring a gong the size of my VW bus at 600 yards.

How many times have you heard someone on here say "I want to load ammo that is consistent enough that it will not be the weakest link in my practice, and I'll be shooting at 100 yards religiously until I have confidence in my position, trigger control and sight management." The answer to that question is what you and I have found, use good components and bang it out on the Dillon. But who has EVER asked that?

Also in answer to your question way back, I don't think it's valuable to necksize for an autoloader. I would only specifically neck size if I was also turning necks, and I'd only do that on a bolt gun. Consider the point of diminishing returns. I'm pretty sure I have a 1/2MOA AR, the targets seem to suggest that. I am building an accuracy testing right that will prove/disprove that. I know that some guys with funky chambers and really careful reloading practices have gotten "benchrest" ARs to shoot "in the twos". Consider that the difference between 1/2 MOA and 1/4 MOA is 1/8th MOA around the circumference. I have never lost a point to 1/8th MOA accuracy that wasn't me doing something dumb, and it would take drastic measures to gain that accuracy bump when I could just shoot 4x as much ammo on the range. Just as you have found, trigger time trumps reloading techniques unless you are in the benchrest game.

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This has gone way past the original topic... I am confident this thread is over cooked.