Ammo Manufacturing

[CAL.BAR]

why do we have to continually have to have/support items made in china??? i am so not prejudiced in any way. why would we support the human rights violations???? lets keep taking jobs from america and continue in our current state of economic decline... i cant continue... without being derogatory

b/c you don't work all day churning out ammo for $3.00 a day,(and neither will I), and labor costs more in the U.S> than any other component.

[Theseus]

So I have been looking at the AECA that says I can't import "defense articles" form other countries without a license.

The Munitions List defines what are "defense articles" and it only lists ammunition and ordinance. I have not yet found it to specify what ammunition is. It seems however that the definition is that of the common language usage so the entire round, not specific components.

If as you suggest the projectiles (bullets) themselves are the real demand I would tend to agree that on a medium scale, sure. The question is how many more people don't have the skill or desire to reload and thus would pay a slightly higher price, but still fair, to get no-steel ammo?

And one thing I would like to point out is that although many would disagree...With this job market many people will take any job they can get...So if I offer $8/hour to make ammo...I am sure I would have plenty of workers. Now, can I make it profitable? Different story.

[freakshow10mm]

As a manufacturer, you also need to register with ITAR and pay $2250 per year.

[westcoastr]

and then after you did all that work to set this up, you would have to convince buyers that your products, either ammo or components are safe [enough]. I'm sure you are a great guy but I know I wouldn't buy ANYTHING from you until you were around for a awhile and hadn't blown anything up.

so you would have to hire some experienced industry folks as you have never reloaded or manufactured components before, further cutting your profits, the manufacturing processes have a fairy low labor content as they are highly automated, where you will save $$ is in tooling/machines, safety, and environmental costs, and taxes if you are located in China VS US.

now the good thing going for you is more ranges are banning magnetic ammo. but you are really going to have to be sure you can make very very cheap projectiles some how, as just about every other medium caliber projectiles cost only slight less than loaded milsurp 7.62x39

[westcoastr]

why do we have to continually have to have/support items made in china??? i am so not prejudiced in any way. why would we support the human rights violations???? lets keep taking jobs from america and continue in our current state of economic decline... i cant continue... without being derogatory

we are justing getting our due after flooding the european markets with cheap goods over the past 300 years!

BTW: freon r-22 ( the refrigerant, not the calgunner) gets banned in 2010 as it is massively polluting. there are going to be some nice winners and losers in the stock market over this phase out.

[FreedomIsNotFree]

As a manufacturer, you also need to register with ITAR and pay $2250 per year.

I thought that was only required if you were going to import/export.

[freakshow10mm]

Nope. All manufacturers, even domestic, even ammunition and ammunition components need to register with ITAR.

[gunboat]

If the chinese put melimine in baby food, what do you think they could put in gun powder -- If you want to make the ammo in china, sell it there - Or maybe you could hire illegals to make it here -

[Theseus]

If the chinese put melimine in baby food, what do you think they could put in gun powder -- If you want to make the ammo in china, sell it there - Or maybe you could hire illegals to make it here -

That is a much better idea! Not only am I stimulating the US economy by selling ammo, but I help build Mexico when the money goes back there!

Thanks for the idea! And here in California there are plenty of illegals I can hire. . . +1 for CalGuns!

[billslugg]

You need an 06 (ammunition mfg) type FFL to make ammo for sale.

The 07 FFL includes all of the privileges of the 06 FFL.

As for insurance. I have cleared my 07 operation with my insurance agent and they (Hartford) do not require any additional coverage other than my general business liability policy.

I have incorporated my business as a subchapter S corporation. Thus my house, bank accounts, IRA etc are immune from lawsuits against the business. I have purposely not bought the property I operate from. I have a minimum of equipment inside the building. IF I was to get involved in a lawsuit, then I would simply forfeit the contents of the building ($30k in old machine tools), declare bankruptcy, dissolve the corporation and start over. My business relies upon very little in capital but a lot in knowledge. If the annual premiums were actually $7k ,as a previous poster refers to, I would have to be sued more frequently than once every 5 years for the insurance to make sense.

The only insurance I am required to have is on the building that I rent.

[cassius]

I have many connections in China and can get my hands on basically anything and also have friends in China's government that can get me permission to export just about anything.

ah.

No matter. You need just as much government licensing and permission to be an ammo importer as an ammo manf.
IF you are seriously interested in manufacturing brass relaodable ammo for Chicom / CommBloc firearms, you'd do better to import components and manufacture the ammo yourself. In a licensed fashion. Have fun with that in CA.
Maybe talk to GoldenWest. See if you can find out where they've been bulk-importing from

[ke6guj]

I have incorporated my business as a subchapter S corporation. Thus my house, bank accounts, IRA etc are immune from lawsuits against the business. I have purposely not bought the property I operate from. I have a minimum of equipment inside the building. IF I was to get involved in a lawsuit, then I would simply forfeit the contents of the building ($30k in old machine tools), declare bankruptcy, dissolve the corporation and start over. My business relies upon very little in capital but a lot in knowledge. If the annual premiums were actually $7k ,as a previous poster refers to, I would have to be sued more frequently than once every 5 years for the insurance to make sense.

The only insurance I am required to have is on the building that I rent.

interesting. So, if you had a round of ammo catastrophically explode and injure a shooter (I dunno, a rifle round accidentily loaded with pistol powder), you'd just declare BK and wash your hands of it?

[ar15barrels]

Maybe talk to GoldenWest. See if you can find out where they've been bulk-importing from

Goldenwest is making bullets from pre-made jackets and lead wire.
I have seen the machines in their plant with my own 2 eyes.