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  • #46
    LynnJr
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2013
    • 7958

    jagerdog
    I posted a picture for you on today's newspaper. Hopefully you can see the date and the lot#.
    This dispells your claim of a recall because one never took place.
    I see posting from another source/website were the poster says what I told you upsets you but I don't see your link to Kestryls requirement. I will take that as a JagerDog rule not policy. I also never said it was my post but my posts are on Benchrest Central and 6mmbr about this very issue.
    As to your repeated claim that the manufacturers don't have the tolerances posted simply call them up and ask.
    You can send them my picture above and ask them for yourself.
    They might have been lying to me?
    The only way to find out is to call.
    Last edited by LynnJr; 08-26-2015, 1:40 PM.
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    • #47
      Fordtrucks
      Member
      • May 2008
      • 410

      Well I think this chart is complete garbage. It shows Alliant E3 as "comparable to" HP-38, PB, and so on but on ANY OTHER BURN CHART E3 is closer to red dot. Nowhere near HP-38.
      With things like powder i won't even consider this as a data option with mistakes or miss prints like this. Just puts the whole chart in question for me.

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      • #48
        JagerDog
        I need a LIFE!!
        • May 2011
        • 14996

        Originally posted by LynnJr
        jagerdog
        I posted a picture for you on today's newspaper. Hopefully you can see the date and the lot#.
        This dispells your claim of a recall because one never took place.
        I see posting from another source/website were the poster says what I told you upsets you but I don't see your link to Kestryls requirement. I will take that as a JagerDog rule not policy. I also never said it was my post but my posts are on Benchrest Central and 6mmbr about this very issue.
        As to your repeated claim that the manufacturers don't have the tolerances posted simply call them up and ask.
        You can send them my picture above and ask them for yourself.
        They might have been lying to me?
        The only way to find out is to call.
        Ok...so you're fine with palgiarism. Gotcha.

        Furthermore, I never claimed there was a recall. Why do you have to invent what I said? Why can't you support your (10% variance) claim?

        Really should stop right there since it's obvious that intellectual honesty isn't in your vocabulary.

        Interestingly enough, your own plagiarism states a recall.

        So you have some of this lot # of RE22 powder. BFD? I never suggested you didn't. It doesn't even prove there wasn't a recall, just like non re-worked Blackhawks doesn't mean Ruger didnt provide free re-working (recall) of Blackhawks...which isn't germane to the topic anyways.
        Last edited by JagerDog; 08-26-2015, 9:41 PM.
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        • #49
          LynnJr
          Calguns Addict
          • Jan 2013
          • 7958



          JagerDog
          Here is some .more plagarizing for you. Scroll down about halfway and let us know if it says reduce loads 10% when changing lot numbers. Try the second from the bottom line.
          Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
          Southwest Regional Director
          Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
          www.unlimitedrange.org
          Not a commercial business.
          URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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          • #50
            LynnJr
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2013
            • 7958

            JagerDog
            I unlike yourself contacted the powder company and got my answers. Read the plagarized part of the PDF file and then work on getting all that egg off of your face.
            Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
            Southwest Regional Director
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            www.unlimitedrange.org
            Not a commercial business.
            URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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            • #51
              JMP
              Internet Warrior
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Feb 2012
              • 17056

              Originally posted by LynnJr
              http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/...pscl8flcrl.jpg

              JagerDog
              Here is some .more plagarizing for you. Scroll down about halfway and let us know if it says reduce loads 10% when changing lot numbers. Try the second from the bottom line.
              Lynn, if you type it in like this, it displays automatically as a picture.

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              • #52
                LynnJr
                Calguns Addict
                • Jan 2013
                • 7958

                JMP
                I think you just plagarised my plagiarise.
                Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
                Southwest Regional Director
                Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
                www.unlimitedrange.org
                Not a commercial business.
                URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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                • #53
                  McGuiver
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2016
                  • 1022

                  Powder equivalence chart

                  Originally posted by Fordtrucks
                  Well I think this chart is complete garbage. It shows Alliant E3 as "comparable to" HP-38, PB, and so on but on ANY OTHER BURN CHART E3 is closer to red dot. Nowhere near HP-38.

                  With things like powder i won't even consider this as a data option with mistakes or miss prints like this. Just puts the whole chart in question for me.


                  I thought the same thing before I started playing with the Alliant e3 powder. I know it burns way faster then most powders. It is usually one of the top 4 or 5 on the list. I think this chart is not based on burn rate, but more closer to actual powder measurements and velocities.

                  Here is my work ups. I have used Alliant e3 in 38spl.

                  Some other data was taken from the respective powder manufacture's load data...

                  38spl load data equivalents / similarities for chart...

                  ADI Powder = AP50N

                  No load data for this. I jumps right over this.

                  Closest handloads.com data found (4.4gr @ 750 FPS for 138gr WC)

                  ***

                  Hodgdon Powder = HP38

                  3.5gr @ 869 FPS

                  ***

                  Alliant Powder = e3

                  3.2gr @ about 850 FPS

                  ***

                  IMR Powder = PB

                  3.0gr @ 840 FPS

                  ***

                  Winchester Powder = W231

                  3.5gr @ 869 FPS

                  ***

                  Accurate Arms Powder = AA 2

                  2.9gr @ 720 FPS

                  ***

                  Vihtavuori Powder = N320

                  3.5gr @ 876 FPS

                  ***

                  Now we must take into account the different barrel length test, bullet seating depth, and primers. I would say this chart is really close for 38spl for the above powders. I have not looked at any others.

                  Remember, load at your own risk. It is your gun, and your hand...

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