Stuck Case

[J-cat]

In this thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1096090

Stilly asks how can a 9mm case get stuck in a carbide sizer die. The answer is carbon. If you resize dirty cases in a carbide die, the carbon will press into the carbide. After a while the sizing effort will increase and eventually the case will stick. So don't run dirty cases through your carbide dies. They will stick.

[mjmagee67]

I wonder what the logic or lack of logic was for closing the thread?

But as I said to get a case stuck in a carbide sizing die, there has to be something else going on.

[Lead Waster]

I've read about depriming pins sticking into primers and locking the case into the die rather than the walls of the case sticking.

Or the dirty case theory works too.

Maybe some kroil oil will loosen it out.

[J-cat]

No. The decapping pin cannot stick a case in the die. It does not have the surface area to hold the case.

[mjmagee67]

No. The decapping pin cannot stick a case in the die. It does not have the surface area to hold the case.

I would agree with that. If you have ever loaded Geco brass, the flash holes are small. My Dillon depriming pin will punch out the flash hole. It is rough going in and coming out.

[JMP]

Also, you can clean your dies. Or, if it's just a pistol die, throw it away and get a new one for $20. On rifle you use Imperial Sizing Wax when there is a risk of getting stuck (i.e. FLing). That's just common sense.

[stilly]

In this thread:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1096090

Stilly asks how can a 9mm case get stuck in a carbide sizer die. The answer is carbon. If you resize dirty cases in a carbide die, the carbon will press into the carbide. After a while the sizing effort will increase and eventually the case will stick. So don't run dirty cases through your carbide dies. They will stick.

It was a clean case and the die was clean.

I wonder what the logic or lack of logic was for closing the thread?

But as I said to get a case stuck in a carbide sizing die, there has to be something else going on.

I think it was the MODS doing their job. I initially had a TOTALLY different thread started, but nobody answered and I ended up fixing the issue myself and then I asked via the REPORT THIS POST icon for the mods to delete the thread since it was of no use. Then later on I ended up going back and since it was still there I started messing around and changed the topic. Then it was turning into a Loadmaster discussion and then progress was being made and then the Dillon carbide resizing die actually chunked on a case and got it jammed and I was like, WTF? so I ended up unscrewed the decapper which came out FINE, although when the press shell plate lowered there was a primer hanging on to the decapping rod. The 9mm shell had a jacked rim and I took a philips screwdriver and pounded the shell out of the die after putting it in my lap (I would not pound on a loadmaster, YET.) when it popped out I was looking at it and then I saw it was either +P or +P+, I think it was just +p, but i will post a pic. I dunno what I did with the primer, but the shell is not too far, it is in the recycler.

I think the mods just happened to come by and see the request and finally close it now knowing fully what was going on except that I asked for it to be deleted.

[J-cat]

How do you know the die was clean?

[J-cat]

Was it yours since new?

[stilly]

I took it apart and cleaned it when I received it, but it was hardly used if even used at all. So I bought it used.

I clean it like I clean all of my dies from time to time. I sprayed brake cleaner on it, wiped it out, sprayed some hornady (maybe) and wiped it out and then gave it a final inspection. There was nothing that really came out of it anyways.

My point being, it IS a carbide sizing die. The brass IS clean. It was a 9mm. How often does this happen with 9mm? I have YET to see it happen in my LEe dies.

Lee even has stated that cleaning dirty brass is not an issue with dies for the most part. This brass was like most of my other brass cases.

I am at a loss as to WTF happened here. Maybe it was a POS Dillon die that was trying to sabotage my Loadmaster in hopes that I would dump it and get a Dillon machine. Yeah not gonna happen.

And by the way. Progressive presses should NOT be called presses, they are machines. I never knew how much detail and thought went into these things until I started taking mine apart.

This press was a troubled press from the start, there were issues indexing with it, so I figured that I could make it work. I have zeroed in on the issue with the indexing and I am going to try some fabricated parts and see if I can build a better indexer. Should not be too hard really, I already know what I want it to look like.

There are a lot of presses out there for sure. There are a lot of progressives and I know as soon as there is a hint of trouble everyone runs to a Dillon... Well, I WILL be running to an RCBS Pro-7 but only because I want 7 stations. But until I have a grand to dump for that, I WILL make this Loadmaster work. Besides, a $64.00 upgrade to the priming section and a fix on the indexer is all this press needs to start burning through shells. THOSE are the only two shortcomings in this press. Everything else looks good to go.


OH my bad. I guess I got it mixed up with another case. This was a Tulammo brass case. I have it right here and can see it now. I got photos of the messed up rim and all.

[J-cat]

Brake cleaner does not dissolve carbon.

When I stuck my case I had to use a bronze brush and bore solvent.

I bet you the previous owner was resizing dirty brass.

[stilly]

Well, it could have very well been that he was. The dies looked new, is there a way to have a closer look and find that to be the case? Last night when I ran more shells through, all were already decapped so all I needed to do was resize, it had no issues doing that. Is this issue compounded with decapping in any way? Is it possible that a nasty primer could have done something as well? The pin had the primer speared on it so I do not think that was the issue, but a previous shell had failed to decap so it was making me wonder...

[J-cat]

No, a primer cannot stick a case. It's friction. Soak the die in butch bore shine overnight and brush the hell out of it in the morning, then soak it again. Then lube the carbide and it should be good. Mine has been fine ever since. But I'm never going to size carbonated cases ever again.

[stilly]

I do not have butches, what about Eds Red?

Lube with what? Hornady unique? One Shot?

I am gonna make a last volley of rounds provided there is no issue with them firing tomorrow and then when I ship my follower off to get modified I will take apart the the die and perform this procedure.

[J-cat]

Eds red will work. Use a 40 cal brush. Eds red will provide enough lubrication.