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  • #31
    meaty-btz
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2010
    • 8980

    The comment about games only using 2 cores is extremely incorrect. Even a game as simple as minecraft can and does utilize all 4 cores to 50+ level. In fact it load balances to keep cores from overheating.

    The core usage is simultaneous with load balancing to not over load one of the cores.

    I have some other games that also use all four of my cores at once.

    Intel kept with the 4 cores for so long (8 with hyper threading) because as you grow in total on die cores you actually start to slow down unless multi-threaded usage is above a certain point... aka you need enough threads from a single program to be able to spread out the load rationally. We first ran into this with 3d rendering software when a more simple calculative task was spanned over too many threads it actually slowed down. I am still waiting for them to update light bounce and transmission calculations in all the packages to multi-thread. It is ironic that radiosity is still calculated single thread for nearly every advanced pro level package.

    As for games, they are becoming more and more multi-threaded but there is an upward limit where most games are actually extremely simple on the processor front, most of the load is on the GPUs. In general, games have not gotten significantly more processor complex (intensive) in some time with more and more being handed off to the GPU, including physics processing. The CPU just runs basic tasks and acts as the director of the circus while the GPUs do some seriously heavy lifting.

    Which is why poorly coded games like BF4 don't use all the cores of a high core system. One the game is poorly coded for multi-threading, the other fact is that there is no complex AI code to be run. The game is very "simple" on the CPU in comparison to what it does on the GPUs. There likely isn't enough demand to efficiently populate all 4 cores. I.E. Minecraft is more CPU intensive running lots of AI driven, piped, and logic controlled mods than BF4 is. Why? All those non-gpu related calculations, logic, and AI code puts the load all on the CPU.
    ...but their exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom.

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    • #32
      SMR510
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      • Nov 2008
      • 883

      Here is what I came up with:


      I3 processor
      GTX 960

      Its as good as I could do while staying around $1000 including the monitor (I spent a bit more of your money there to get a nice IPS display).


      Now, yes the 2 threads thing was a over generalization and like Meaty said it is becoming more important as games get more complex. So what to do for a budget machine? Upgrade path...I say skimp on the CPU and go for the G3258 and then instead of a 960 you get a 970. Now what you have is a graphics card that is much more capable, this system is able to play most games at high detail. And the best part is that once you outgrow that G3258 you can upgrade to any LGA 1150 CPU and all you are scrapping is a $70 processor. Everything else in the system is fine to work with anything all the way up to a 4790k and likely the only other upgrade you would ever need on this computer would be more RAM but you have slots available so you can get a matching pair and get up to 16GB for $50.

      Its buying you time to get some extra cash saved up, either that or you end up with a middle of the road system through and through and you have to replace the CPU and GPU in order to get where you end up with the G3258 build and end up spending lots more money.

      Video comparing the G3258 to a 5960x showing that really there is not as much difference as you might think for gaming purposes. Since you will not be using this for heavy multi tasking or video editing or something like that it makes it a good option IMO.

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      • #33
        The Geologist
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 641

        I built my first one last year for about $1500. Look for sales

        i7 4770 CPU
        ASUS Z87 Pro
        MSI Geforce 760 GPU
        G Skill Ripjaws X; 2 x 8GB
        Seasonic X 850 PSU
        Samsung 840 EVO 250 GB SSD
        Western Digital HDD; 2 x 1 TB
        ASUS DVD
        Noctua NH-U14S cooler
        Zalman MS800 plus case and a few extra fans

        Check this site out there's a lot of good info here - http://www.tomshardware.com/

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        • #34
          2DoorImpala
          Veteran Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 4698

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          • #35
            pluke the 2
            Senior Member
            • May 2012
            • 1926

            I'm selling a year old 2.8k build for $1000 cash or trade (gun related). Comes with everything. PM me if you need specifications.

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            • #36
              pluke the 2
              Senior Member
              • May 2012
              • 1926

              Water cooling and overclocking optional.

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              • #37
                redrex
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2011
                • 1277

                Response to the OP's current PCPP list: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/RC83/saved/NpM2FT

                CPU/MB: The cpu you have is a no brainer. It's the best bang for the buck period. And the mother board is good to. In fact you could even go the hackintosh route if you wanted to with this setup.

                Mem: The memory is not one that we use but I know people who do and don't have any issues with it.

                Case: I use that same case at home for my FreeNAS box. Good, but not great. But I'm pretty *****y when it comes to cases and I've yet to find one that I honestly love. My next one will prob be THIS

                Video: The video card looks good. Maybe the Asus but that is just a coin toss.

                PS: I am using the same power supply right now.

                The only changes I might make would be this.
                SSD as the main OS/boot drive. http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung...ive-mz7ke128bw

                Ditch the Cooler Master. Yeah, I know everyone loves it and all but I suggest a liquid cooled solution instead. It's quieter, less torque on the cpu if you move the case. Gets rid of that big cooling tower in the middle of your airflow circuit. And should you do some OC'ing you are all set. http://www.frys.com/product/8336697?...KsIaAtjD8P8HAQ

                Oh and I've had four of those CM's die or break. I have one dead on my desk as I type.

                I'd ditch the internal CD drive and go with an external. They are super cheap, like $25 and by doing this you are removing heat from your PC. Lowering regular power. And it leaves you with a more flexible solution.


                I won't comment on the monitor or keyboards as that is just a personal choice. I say get the best you can afford. I run with three dell 24's and I wish they were 32's. Keybaord is a CMStorm. I like the clicky kind because I'm old school like that. Or maybe just old. Either way.

                For monitor's I'd haunt Woot.com for a few weeks, they usually have something pretty good pop up every so often.
                Semper Alacer

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                • #38
                  redrex
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 1277

                  Hold the phone, this MB has a M.2 controller. You need that new screaming fast drive...




                  It's $260 but hey, it's only money.
                  Semper Alacer

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                  • #39
                    Noble Cause
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 2633

                    Originally posted by The Geologist
                    I built my first one last year for about $1500. Look for sales

                    i7 4770 CPU
                    ASUS Z87 Pro
                    MSI Geforce 760 GPU
                    G Skill Ripjaws X; 2 x 8GB
                    Seasonic X 850 PSU
                    Samsung 840 EVO 250 GB SSD
                    Western Digital HDD; 2 x 1 TB
                    ASUS DVD
                    Noctua NH-U14S cooler
                    Zalman MS800 plus case and a few extra fans

                    Check this site out there's a lot of good info here - http://www.tomshardware.com/
                    Zalman's a great choice for a case... Lots of features...
                    The Swappable HDD slots are great.

                    Also Good choices in your component mix.


                    Noble

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                    • #40
                      Excitable Boy
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 568

                      I used to be a gamer and was upgrading my PC usually twice a year since the late 90s. About five years ago, I realized that most of my time was spent on web browsing and Quicken and kind of took a low end approach to my last upgrade. After chugging along with a 3.0ghz i3 based machine for some time, I decided late in 2014 that I wanted something I could do a little modern gaming on, even if not a state of the art rig. I got a decent bonus from work for Christmas and went with the following:

                      ASUS Sabertooth G97 Mobo
                      Intel i5 4590K multiplier unlocked 3.5ghz CPU - It's supposed to be very overclockable, but haven't gone there yet
                      16GB Crucial Ballistix PC1600 GDDR3 RAM
                      2GB Sapphire AMD G9 270X video card
                      512GB Crucial MX100 SSD
                      Windows 8.1

                      Case is an old Antec outfitted with a Corsair modular 650 watt PSU. I'm probably on the edge with the PSU, but with no O/C it seems to run stably.

                      Monitor is a 27" Samsung and the sound is handled through an external Sony UDA1 DAC running through some small Genelec desktop monitors. It's not surround sound, but sounds sweet for music!

                      While it may not push state of the art, this rig does a nice job with Counter Strike Source LOL!

                      Seriously, on a more modern task, it runs Far Cry 4 at good frame rates and the graphics look sweet. This rig should last me for a couple years. I need to look into a liquid cooling solution for the CPU and crank it up a little. The i5 4590K is supposed to be the modern equivalent of the legendary Celeron 300A for overclocking. From what I've read, it can easily be pushed to over 4ghz. We shall see
                      Last edited by Excitable Boy; 02-10-2015, 9:59 PM.

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                      • #41
                        antiseen
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 837

                        I was all about amd processors. All my builds were amd until my last gaming pc I made the switch to Intel. No regrets.

                        If you want the best performance and don't mind paying for it, go with Intel. If you're on a budget, amd gives you good bang for your buck.

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                        • #42
                          flanel
                          Member
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 331

                          I haven't built one in awhile, but my biggest advice is don't go cheap on the power supply. Do your research and get one of the better ones that will work with your hardware, or you may have stability issues. I also would try and get "workstation" class motherboards. These two components are the backbone of the system and it would be misguided to cut corners here. Have fun!

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                          • #43
                            Soginator
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 1696

                            Your cpu is unlikely to matter because gaming is not cpu intensive. However, as many have stated, intel is currently better.
                            Get a SSD. Make room in the budget for it
                            8gb of ram is what you need, 16 will get you through the next decade probably.
                            I don't like AMD cards. If you're running single card set up, nVidia is waaay better on benchmarks (hwcompare.com)
                            Windows 7 and 8 will both be upgradeable to win 10, so get whatever you can.
                            If you're running 1080p/60hz, you don't need to spend a lot. Most budget computers can handle that easily.
                            WTS HK USP45c http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1304283

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                            • #44
                              redrex
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 1277

                              Originally posted by Soginator
                              Your cpu is unlikely to matter because gaming is not cpu intensive. .
                              That is a very misleading statement. While GPU's do handle a great deal of the workload they are still highly constrained by the CPU. All those draw calls and such are still sent thought to the OS and drivers and as such are routed via the CPU. And as the current gen of DirectX stills sends the lions share of calls though only one thread on one core, it comes down to raw horsepower at that point. Check you system diag while gaming and you will see that one core is doing most of the work. That is all those OS level system calls.

                              True some games are less constrained by this then other still saying that it's not cpu intensive is hardly true.

                              And I'm not just talking out my *** on this. I'm the C.O.O. for video game dev house. AND I just walked over and talked to my CTO to make sure I was not putting my foot in my mouth :-)

                              He did mention that DirectX 12 will fix a good deal of those issues BUT we will believe it when we sees it.

                              Also we upgraded our dev systems in '13. Here is what we built.


                              We raided the SSD's and then loaded Chameleon boot loader for a Hackintosh load out. You can boot the system into OSX or Win. From OSX you can load Parallels and get into Win or Linux. Great for side by side testing.

                              However these cases are a major pain and I hate them. Also the OCZ SSD's are MAJOR crap. We have had almost half of them die! They have caused me a world of pain! I replaced them with Samsung and have not had one issue.
                              Semper Alacer

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                              • #45
                                afteractionreport
                                CGSSA Leader
                                • Jun 2013
                                • 2859

                                Originally posted by pluke the 2
                                Water cooling and overclocking optional.
                                Oh yeah make sure to get an unlocked cpu...
                                Kyle "Kenosha Kid" Rittenhouse did nothing wrong

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