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  • Synergy
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    • May 2008
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    Best Price On Bulk Cat6? Few Ethernet questions

    MonoPrice is out of stock till the next boat comes in. Anyone have a cheaper better online source.

    Can I use 5e connectors on Cat6?

    Plenum vs Non-Plenum?

    Why is plenum so much more expensive?

    I have my home theater, cable modem, WiFi router, switch, etc... Wired with 5e and it is run under my floor (raised foundation). I need to rewire the whole house/system since I have moved my office, added another Ooma and now the home theater equipment is going into a closet.
    Last edited by Synergy; 09-01-2014, 2:35 PM.
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    nick
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    • Aug 2008
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    You may get away with using 5e connectors. Just make sure the cable type is compatible (stranded vs. solid wire, things like that), and don't make the straight stretch of wire too long.

    Plenum cables are more expensive due to different plastic used in them. Basically, it's not as toxic when exposed to high temps, and is supposed to be fire-retardant. Check whatever building codes you have in your area, but chances are that plenum spaces call for plenum cables

    You can also get away with using Cat5e cables instead of Cat6, depending on the distances and the amount of interference where you run them. You're not wiring for 10G, after all
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      baddos
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      • Sep 2012
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      10gb ethernet requires cat7a anyways, cat6 is a waste for most applications. I wouldn't use cat6 wire in cat5e connectors, it's best to match up the entire run with the same spec equipment.

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      • #4
        Synergy
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        • May 2008
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        Originally posted by nick

        You can also get away with using Cat5e cables instead of Cat6, depending on the distances and the amount of interference where you run them. You're not wiring for 10G, after all
        A few of the cables are going to be running HDMI. Wouldn't 6 be better than 5e?
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        • #5
          jmlivingston
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          • Oct 2005
          • 5095

          As Nick said, you only need Cat6 or greater if you are planning to run speeds of 10Gbps or faster. Cat5e will handle 1 Gbps speeds just fine. Use plenum rated cables for use in walls and ceilings, it's less toxic in a fire and usually mandated by building codes for use in those spaces.

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            Synergy
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            • May 2008
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            Originally posted by jmlivingston
            As Nick said, you only need Cat6 or greater if you are planning to run speeds of 10Gbps or faster. Cat5e will handle 1 Gbps speeds just fine. Use plenum rated cables for use in walls and ceilings, it's less toxic in a fire and usually mandated by building codes for use in those spaces.
            As a fireman, don't get me started on building codes and what is less toxic in a fire!

            Nothing is "in wall" it will be run under my floor joists, I will drill a hole through the floor and run the wire up into the closet, room, etc...
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              jmlivingston
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              • Oct 2005
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              Originally posted by baddos
              10gb ethernet requires cat7a anyways, cat6 is a waste for most applications. I wouldn't use cat6 wire in cat5e connectors, it's best to match up the entire run with the same spec equipment.
              Definitely best to match components up, but it's not necessary. Just have to remember that you're only rated for the lowest quality component on the run. So putting a cheap Cat5e rated connector on an costly Cat6+ cable pretty much wastes the extra money spent on that higher grade cabling. 10GBase-T is qualified for straight Cat6 cable, but the distance it can go is not as great as for the higher rated cables.

              Originally posted by Synergy
              A few of the cables are going to be running HDMI. Wouldn't 6 be better than 5e?
              If you're running HDMI over this, check with whoever the supplier of your converter boxes is. HDMI=/=Ethernet, it'll have its own spec requirements.

              Originally posted by Synergy
              As a fireman, don't get me started on building codes and what is less toxic in a fire!
              Fine, I'll withdraw my statement on plenum cabling then. It was only based on what multiple building inspectors and wiring contractors have told me as I've worked to have numerous office buildings wired over the years.

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                2DoorImpala
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                • Jun 2009
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                • #9
                  Synergy
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                  • May 2008
                  • 14303

                  Originally posted by Synergy
                  As a fireman, don't get me started on building codes and what is less toxic in a fire!
                  Originally posted by jmlivingston
                  Fine, I'll withdraw my statement on plenum cabling then. It was only based on what multiple building inspectors and wiring contractors have told me as I've worked to have numerous office buildings wired over the years.
                  That was not directed at you. I may not have been clear in my anger towards BS building codes. I hate BS building/fire codes. Many are not based off safety, but off making money. CL2/CL3 rating has zero impact on me during a fire. Many more items on fire, in a home, office or commercial building have much more toxic chemicals than the PVC cover on wire.
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                  • #10
                    MFortie
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                    • Jan 2007
                    • 1143

                    I doubt you have a true plenum space (air return), so plenum cabling isn't necessary. If you're going to run Cat6 cable, stick with Cat 6 connectors. Why handcuff your network by downgrading the connectors? If Gb is fast enough for you, just run Cat5e cable and connectors.

                    For HDMI, I'd suggest a shielded Cat6 cable but your converter mfg will recommend the correct cable type.
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                    • #11
                      freonr22
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                      • Dec 2008
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                      Originally posted by MFortie
                      I doubt you have a true plenum space (air return), so plenum cabling isn't necessary. If you're going to run Cat6 cable, stick with Cat 6 connectors. Why handcuff your network by downgrading the connectors? If Gb is fast enough for you, just run Cat5e cable and connectors.

                      For HDMI, I'd suggest a shielded Cat6 cable but your converter mfg will recommend the correct cable type.
                      why do you doubt that? was is stated one way or anther the commercial or residential space?
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                      • #12
                        prc104
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                        • Dec 2007
                        • 427

                        Your kidding yourself if you think cheap chinese cat6 or cat5e is going to pass any kind of BER test to meet standards.

                        Just use Berk-Tek cable and Leviton or Siemon parts.
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                        • #13
                          billd
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                          • Nov 2008
                          • 47

                          Check with www.deepsurplus.com

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                          • #14
                            Hooked
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                            • Aug 2011
                            • 28

                            Best Price On Bulk Cat6? Few Ethernet questions

                            Call Low Voltage City if your in the LA/Glendale area 818-581-4111 the cat6e they carry is from comCables and I have never had a problem with it, I have purchased over 100,000 feet from them and never a bad pair or jacketing issues. I certify all they cables I use for projects (am required to) and that cable certifies just like the bigboys, I.e. Belden.

                            ComCables dot com if you need spec sheets.

                            If your going to use the cat6 for hdmi, buy the hdmi extenders by wyrestorm, they use a single cable and support IR you can also power it via the USB port on the back of most modern tv's.

                            Wyrestorm dot com

                            If you have a plenum ceiling then you would need plenum cable, if not your ok. This situation is usually in high rise building where the ceiling is used as the air return hence plenum is required so that toxic fumes aren't carried over to other floors.

                            Cat5e connectors should not be used with cat6e cabling they will not pass certification.

                            Also be careful of cheap cable in general, stay away from 30-40$ cat5e cables they are CCA cable which is copper clad aluminum.
                            Last edited by Hooked; 09-02-2014, 1:20 AM.

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                            • #15
                              stilly
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                              Originally posted by Synergy
                              MonoPrice is out of stock till the next boat comes in. Anyone have a cheaper better online source.

                              Can I use 5e connectors on Cat6?

                              Plenum vs Non-Plenum?

                              Why is plenum so much more expensive?

                              I have my home theater, cable modem, WiFi router, switch, etc... Wired with 5e and it is run under my floor (raised foundation). I need to rewire the whole house/system since I have moved my office, added another Ooma and now the home theater equipment is going into a closet.
                              heh. Low voltage stuff aint really regulated. I say go for the PVC stuff.

                              Also, if you are going for speed and doing a rewiring, I was told that cat6E (which I did not see so did he mean cat7?) can give you 1GB of speed with the 1GB or faster nics as well and all devices like that...
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