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  • #31
    billofrights
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Oct 2012
    • 2343

    You're all also assuming this was sent from a hard-wired desktop. Could also be a laptop either on a public wifi in Starbucks or an open network in some random neighborhood.

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    • #32
      vonderplatz
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2011
      • 1249

      Ask for a restraining order! Doing your own Detective work will prove nothing if you need that information later to prove you were being harassed. Also, if they complain about you, and have proof that you are trying to track them down that could men that they could put a restraining order on you, and you know what that means to a gun owner.

      Harassing emails coming from your ex's account, and what you stated in previous threads should be enough to get a restraining order. I was able to get a restraining order with much less.

      BTW: An ISP will never give you the information you need to track someone down.
      Last edited by vonderplatz; 02-14-2013, 12:52 PM.
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      • #33
        vonderplatz
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2011
        • 1249

        Originally posted by Dark Paladin
        As private individuals, I agree that we do not possess the ability to do so.

        However, LEA can and do execute search warrants on ISPs to obtain account holder information based on IP addresses. That is how you correlate IP addresses to physical addresses. How else are RIAA/MPAA filing lawsuits against alleged media pirates? The internet does indeed work that way, but we as private citizens simply do not have access to the tools and legal methods to actually do so.
        RIAA/MPAA sends the copyright violation to the ISP. The ISP then forwards it to the enduser, but the ISP does not tell RIAA/MPAA who that individual is. To get that information they will still need a court order.

        The email sent to the enduser contains is a link to to a website where they can pay a settlement fee. If they choose to pay the fee the RIAA does not pursue any further, but should they decide not to pay the RIAA can ask for a Court Order forcing the ISP to divulge who the IP address belongs to, but it is not very common for the process to make it that far.
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        • #34
          ocabj
          Calguns Addict
          • Oct 2005
          • 7924

          Originally posted by vonderplatz
          RIAA/MPAA sends the copyright violation to the ISP. The ISP then forwards it to the enduser, but the ISP does not tell RIAA/MPAA who that individual is. To get that information they will still need a court order.

          The email sent to the enduser contains is a link to to a website where they can pay a settlement fee. If they choose to pay the fee the RIAA does not pursue any further, but should they decide not to pay the RIAA can ask for a Court Order forcing the ISP to divulge who the IP address belongs to, but it is not very common for the process to make it that far.
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          • #35
            Dark Paladin
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            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Sep 2008
            • 1531

            Originally posted by vonderplatz
            RIAA/MPAA sends the copyright violation to the ISP. The ISP then forwards it to the enduser, but the ISP does not tell RIAA/MPAA who that individual is. To get that information they will still need a court order.

            The email sent to the enduser contains is a link to to a website where they can pay a settlement fee. If they choose to pay the fee the RIAA does not pursue any further, but should they decide not to pay the RIAA can ask for a Court Order forcing the ISP to divulge who the IP address belongs to, but it is not very common for the process to make it that far.
            Yes, that is drilling down to the step by step process. I think there may have been some confusion because I was mixing the two (LEA and RIAA/MPAA tracing efforts. . . you can bet the court will approve warrants requested by LEAs in the name of public safety). My point is yes it is possible to link an IP address to a physical address, but the process is not something an ordinary citizen will have legal access to.

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            • #36
              Baconator
              Bacon makes it better
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Jan 2009
              • 9547

              It's 45David. He's long since banned and, if you believe the back story, killed himself out in the desert somewhere. I don't think he's worried about it anymore.

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              • #37
                stix213
                AKA: Joe Censored
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Apr 2009
                • 18998

                Originally posted by Baconator
                It's 45David. He's long since banned and, if you believe the back story, killed himself out in the desert somewhere. I don't think he's worried about it anymore.
                Um I hope the desert story isn't true....

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                • #38
                  Baconator
                  Bacon makes it better
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 9547

                  Originally posted by stix213
                  Um I hope the desert story isn't true....

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                  • #39
                    Darryl Licht
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 2259

                    Try this website to ID the area where IP from email headers originated: http://cqcounter.com/whois/

                    It is easy to use and pretty accurate!
                    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one.
                    --Thomas Jefferson
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