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  • #16
    TrappedinCalifornia
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2018
    • 9439

    Originally posted by jarhead714
    Artificial intelligence is killing truth, especially to those recently and yet to be born.
    It's not so much AI that is 'killing truth.' What's killing truth is the younger generation's inability and/or refusal to ferret out the truth; i.e., their inability to think for themselves. Even Politico ran a piece on... How Gen Z Became the Most Gullible Generation

    ...“There is this myth of the digital native, that because some people have grown up with digital devices, they are well equipped to make sense of the information that those devices provide,” says Joel Breakstone, who led the 2021 study. “The results were sobering.”

    It’s a startling reality about Gen Z, backed up by multiple studies and what we can all see for ourselves: The most online generation is also the worst at discerning fact from fiction on the internet.

    That becomes an issue when the internet — and specifically, social media — has become the main source of news for the younger generation. About three in five Gen Zers, from between the ages of 13 and 26, say they get their news from social media at least once a week. TikTok is a particularly popular platform: 45 percent of those between the ages of 18 and 29 said they were regular news consumers on the app.

    While social media may make news more accessible, there’s also little quality control to the information on the platforms. And although people of all ages are bad at detecting misinformation — which is only getting harder amid the rise of AI — members of Gen Z are particularly vulnerable to being fooled. Why? There’s a dangerous feedback loop at play. Many young people are growing deeply skeptical of institutions and more inclined toward conspiracy theories, which makes them shun mainstream news outlets and immerse themselves in narrow online communities — which then feeds them fabrications based on powerful algorithms and further deepens their distrust. It’s the kind of media consumption that differs drastically from older generations who spend far more time with mainstream media, and the consequences can be grim...

    The common thread in all these viral conspiracy theories on TikTok is that they are fueled by distrust of institutions — from schools to the National Weather Service to the medical establishment. And that sentiment carries over to the media: Only 16 percent of Gen Zers have strong confidence in the news. It’s no surprise then that so many young people are shunning traditional publications and seeking their news on social media, often from unverified accounts that do little fact-checking.

    The ramifications are potentially huge for American politics. Without some sort of course correction, a growing piece of the electorate will find itself falling victim to fake news and fringe conspiracy theories online — likely driving the hyperpolarization of our politics to new heights...

    And this is a bipartisan trend: President Donald Trump’s fans and haters are both just as likely to fall for fake information that already conforms to their worldview...

    Young people aren’t solely to blame for their lack of digital literacy.

    In school, students are taught to read closely and carefully — which misinformation researchers say has unintentionally enforced the idea that students should drill into a single video and determine its accuracy with their eyes, rather than leave the page and open Google. The technology of misinformation is advancing rapidly, and it is becoming impossible to differentiate what’s true from what’s false with mere observation. For older generations, who came to the internet later in life, there’s still at least some natural skepticism toward what they see online. For the youth, it must be taught.

    Gen Zers are uniquely vulnerable to misinformation compared to older age groups not just because of their social media habits, says Rakoen Maertens, a behavioral scientist at the University of Oxford, but because they have fewer lived experiences and knowledge to discern reality...
    As I indicated earlier, it's the same issue we've faced throughout human history. AI isn't so much 'killing' the Internet as it is 'feeding' upon the largely 'uncontrolled nature' of it coupled with the lack of formal and real world 'education' of the up and coming generations.

    It's little wonder that a country like China is becoming and actually is a major competitor vis a vis AI. Just to give the post an 'ironic' twist, here's what Google's AI says...

    The United States is the leading country in AI, outperforming others in areas like private investment, AI compute power, and the development of notable AI models. However, China is a major competitor, particularly in AI publications and patents, and is closing the performance gap in key areas like model development.
    • United States: Consistently ranked as the leader, with a significant lead in private investment, the number of notable AI models developed, and overall AI ecosystem strength. It holds a majority of the world's AI compute power.
    • China: A strong competitor, especially in AI research papers and patents. China is rapidly closing the performance gap with the U.S. on key benchmarks for AI models.
    • Other notable countries:
      • Europe: As a whole, Europe is gaining ground and has made significant progress in model development.
      • France: Has a high level of AI compute capacity and is a leader in AI model development.
      • United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia: Rank highly in terms of AI compute power and government strategy, respectively.
      • United Kingdom, Canada, and Singapore: Are also recognized among the top countries in AI research and development.
    As I said before, the reality is it all comes down to profit motives and 'profit' isn't simply about dollars and cents. It's about deriving some 'value' or 'gain' or 'benefit.'

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    • #17
      ibanezfoo
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Apr 2007
      • 11919

      Originally posted by jarhead714
      Artificial intelligence is killing truth, especially to those recently and yet to be born.
      Not AI but what AI is trained on. It only regugitates what data most matches your prompting. If the only data it has is BS, it will choose the best BS to give to you. THAT is why the regulation on it is so important. Its a who watches the watchers situation. AI very confidently gives you information only what it knows. It has no idea what truth means. It just knows that banana more closely reflects your request of fruit than water bottle. So when you ask about Trump and all the info it has is that Trump is a fascist and all that, it will very confidently tell you Trump is a fascist.
      vindicta inducit ad salutem?

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      • #18
        arrix
        Veteran Member
        • May 2012
        • 4054

        Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia

        It's not so much AI that is 'killing truth.' What's killing truth is the younger generation's inability and/or refusal to ferret out the truth; i.e., their inability to think for themselves. Even Politico ran a piece on... How Gen Z Became the Most Gullible Generation
        So what they're saying is Gen Z is getting a balanced perspective and not just spoonfed a leftwing narrative by MSM.
        There is no week nor day nor hour, when tyranny may not enter upon this country, if the people lose their supreme confidence in themselves -- and lose their roughness and spirit of defiance -- Tyranny may always enter -- there is no charm, no bar against it -- the only bar against it is a large resolute breed of men.

        -Walt Whitman

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        • #19
          socal m1 shooter
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2013
          • 1676

          Originally posted by arrix
          So what they're saying is Gen Z is getting a balanced perspective and not just spoonfed a leftwing narrative by MSM.
          AI agents are overwhelmingly trained on left-leaning data sets. As martial artists learn-- you fight like you train-- AI agents tend to be a product of their training. They are extracting/using patterns from data sets, and using probabilities in a sophisticated way to extend/generalize those patterns.

          The most corrosive effect of AI is that it moves humanity toward a WALL-E world. Human nature is human nature; as Bertrand Russell said/wrote in various ways, "people would sooner die than think, and they do..."
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          • #20
            arrix
            Veteran Member
            • May 2012
            • 4054

            Originally posted by socal m1 shooter

            AI agents are overwhelmingly trained on left-leaning data sets. As martial artists learn-- you fight like you train-- AI agents tend to be a product of their training. They are extracting/using patterns from data sets, and using probabilities in a sophisticated way to extend/generalize those patterns.

            The most corrosive effect of AI is that it moves humanity toward a WALL-E world. Human nature is human nature; as Bertrand Russell said/wrote in various ways, "people would sooner die than think, and they do..."
            Indeed there's very little in the way of "right-wing" content on the whole of the internet. I'm sure it's overshadowed by all the left-wing slop that's put out there.
            There is no week nor day nor hour, when tyranny may not enter upon this country, if the people lose their supreme confidence in themselves -- and lose their roughness and spirit of defiance -- Tyranny may always enter -- there is no charm, no bar against it -- the only bar against it is a large resolute breed of men.

            -Walt Whitman

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            • #21
              socal m1 shooter
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2013
              • 1676

              I don't claim to speak for Elon Musk but in hindsight it seems he had a sense of the potential of AI when he purchased Twitter and part of his reasoning was the massive data set of human interaction recorded in/on Twitter was valuable for training AI agents. The "Twitter AI" Grok is widely viewed as less left-compromised by many. Is that because of corporate culture and values in Musk's company, or the "righting" of the TwiX ship? I don't know, maybe so. Unfortunately part of the leftist religion is that "doin' right ain't got no end" and this has contributed to the leftist prevalence in many online forums, etc., as most conservative people just want to be left alone.


              iTrader under old CalGuns

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              • #22
                yellowsulphur
                Senior Member
                • May 2007
                • 1636

                Originally posted by arrix
                Dead Internet theory is real. Over 60% of all Internet traffic is AI bots. Imagine the energy savings of all those bots were shut off.
                I hear you, but I'm a big fan of nuclear power. Let's fully develop the infrastructure before they realize LLMs aren't the endgame.

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                • #23
                  ibanezfoo
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 11919

                  Originally posted by socal m1 shooter
                  I don't claim to speak for Elon Musk but in hindsight it seems he had a sense of the potential of AI when he purchased Twitter and part of his reasoning was the massive data set of human interaction recorded in/on Twitter was valuable for training AI agents. The "Twitter AI" Grok is widely viewed as less left-compromised by many. Is that because of corporate culture and values in Musk's company, or the "righting" of the TwiX ship? I don't know, maybe so. Unfortunately part of the leftist religion is that "doin' right ain't got no end" and this has contributed to the leftist prevalence in many online forums, etc., as most conservative people just want to be left alone.


                  Problem with that is Grok SUCKS. I don't know if its the training or logic or what but its really bad.
                  vindicta inducit ad salutem?

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                  • #24
                    socal m1 shooter
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2013
                    • 1676

                    I'll have to disagree with you on that. Grok is not perfect but none of them are. I find that when I want to learn about something without having to separate a bunch of leftist chaff from whatever wheat I am interested in (so to speak), Grok tends to be much less overtly leftist.

                    I pay for access for Grok, ChatGPT and Claude, and use others (Perplexity, for one). They all have strengths and weaknesses (because they are trained on different inputs), they all exhibit a "personality" (because of the teams/companies behind them) and they all hallucinate and get stuff wrong (because of how they are coded). And with successor models being released every six months or so, at least as long as the "western" AI companies (meaning, the aforementioned plus Alphabet/Google, Microsoft, et al.) have willing investors, the landscape will continue to change, so that there may be collateral benefit in not staying loyal to any one AI agent/platform.

                    Maybe a decent analogy would be credit cards that generate rewards (miles, points, cash rebates). You pick your credit card depending upon various factors, like what fits best with your lifestyle, what maximizes rewards based on your shopping, and so on. For some, cash is king and that Citi Costco Visa is great for them because they spend a lot at Costco (or the Sam's Club equivalent). For another, an annual fee card that allows them to transfer points to various airlines, hotels, etc., works better, because discounted travel is their preferred form of reward. Likewise, AI agents... a year ago, Claude was the go-to for coding, at least for the people I know. Now, other agents are finding their niche.
                    iTrader under old CalGuns

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                    • #25
                      Big Chudungus
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jun 2021
                      • 3457

                      Originally posted by socal m1 shooter

                      AI agents are overwhelmingly trained on left-leaning data sets. As martial artists learn-- you fight like you train-- AI agents tend to be a product of their training. They are extracting/using patterns from data sets, and using probabilities in a sophisticated way to extend/generalize those patterns.

                      The most corrosive effect of AI is that it moves humanity toward a WALL-E world. Human nature is human nature; as Bertrand Russell said/wrote in various ways, "people would sooner die than think, and they do..."
                      This is why IMO Red Chinese have a big advantage in building real AI. Sure there is some not so much censorship but control of speech in Red China but its very simple: Don't be anti-social and don't challenge authority of CCP/Govt. IMO AI will be able to digest that and work with it in general "help humans and The World" without too much erosion of Truth.

                      Problem in "Western" AI is its a "rules based order" but no one is allowed to say WTF the rules are because the Rules are based on lies and other Open Secrets that AI isn't allowed to express.

                      Traditional Chinese (and even Roman until The Church) rejection of IP will work better with AI, and IMO the entire IP concept is a losing proposition. I've noticed that big CAD firms like SolidWorks and AutoCad have shifted away from charging big bucks for strictly locked down per-seat, per-year Lic fees, and now give away full powered Student Editions for free, and seem to make most of their money Consulting and Training people on their hard to use, high end software, and seem to be doing just fine.

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                      • #26
                        yellowsulphur
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 1636

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                        The world would be a better place if protests were like this.

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                        • #27
                          Dan_Eastvale
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Apr 2013
                          • 10357

                          And corrupt kickback grabbing western state and local governments gladly approving more of these water sucking data centers in areas already in drought emergencies. Always ignoring any community discussion meetings where the peaple are unanimously opposed.

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