Windows 10 problem - help!

[Bushwack44]

Ok...see the image below:
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After my last re-boot, it showed that the update (v1709) was 99% downloaded (that's at the 2nd message) and the message about Defender was never there. It was only after 20 minutes of the PC being up and the Windows Module Installer program active that these two messages appeared. Strangly, my PC says that Defender is up to date via the Control Panel.

I think I'm going to do a clean install as suggested. I already have my files on a few separate external drives & off site, so it will be "only" the PIA of re-installing everything else. But...I will test out the new Win 10 install thoroughly before installing any other programs or drivers. And when I do, I'll install one at a time and re-boot - to monitor if I have any conflicts. Stay tuned...

[Dragunov]

Ok...see the image below:
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After my last re-boot, it showed that the update (v1709) was 99% downloaded (that's at the 2nd message) and the message about Defender was never there. It was only after 20 minutes of the PC being up and the Windows Module Installer program active that these two messages appeared. Strangly, my PC says that Defender is up to date via the Control Panel.

I think I'm going to do a clean install as suggested. I already have my files on a few separate external drives & off site, so it will be "only" the PIA of re-installing everything else. But...I will test out the new Win 10 install thoroughly before installing any other programs or drivers. And when I do, I'll install one at a time and re-boot - to monitor if I have any conflicts. Stay tuned...

Yep! Your computer is constipated. Let it update for a day, stay on top of it as much as you can. If it persists, as I, and others have said, Get the drivers, a WinX .ISO, wipe, and reload. Keep us up on it... Good luck!

[the86d]

Yep! Your computer is constipated. Let it update for a day, stay on top of it as much as you can. If it persists, as I, and others have said, Get the drivers, a WinX .ISO, wipe, and reload. Keep us up on it... Good luck!

Can one still stop the WinUpdate service, then blow out the \windows\Software\SoftwareDistribution folder like on Win7 to fix update issues? (My Win10 box is at work, so I can't verify now... and w/ Win7 it takes forever to start the 1st update after doing this, but it works if you have whack/corrupt[?] updates.)

I don't think there is a reason to wipe, as most recent version of Windows, if it still works with Win OS(u)X, will let usually you do a clean install w/out blowing out any data.

Installation of the "10 upgrade" (even a clean install, or really the subsequent activation rather) I have found to be hit-and-miss... sometimes it won't activate, reinstall and activation works fine... is what I have had to do...

The ISO/USB creation can be had, as stated in previous posts: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10
Use another rig to create it, then boot to it on your problem rig for a clean install, and don't blow out your data, if you can.

My thoughts are that if 10 uses the same NTFS version, one could "chkdsk /f" the drive to verify NTFS integrity, then do the clean install (no blow out of data) after correction.

[BuddyBoy]

The slow boot is a known problem. You need to disable fast boot. Fast boot tries to use stuff written to the hibernation file to speed boot, and yours is corrupted, which causes the lengthy hang. My system was hanging for 10-15 minutes before I diabled fast boot. You may be able to re-enable it once your system is booting at normal speed, but try disabling it first.

[Bushwack44]

UPDATE - PROBLEM SOLVED.

I ended up doing a clean install. Since the clean install, everything working fine. After making sure everything within Win 10 is current, I then "introduced" printers/scanners (anything requiring a driver) one-by-one. I let Win 10 find the driver. I then tested out each peripheral (restarting 4 times after each peripheral's driver was installed and tested).

First program installed was MS Office, which went well. Then re-started. I did a restart after installing each program (Acrobat, Photoshop, Quickbooks Pro, Quicken, Chrome, Opera, etc., etc.).

So far, everything is good. I DID NOT install EST NOD32 anti-virus. From what I've read (or lack thereof from ESET's web site), they are not conveying confidence that their anti-virus software is 100% Win 10 compatible. They say it will automatically disable Win Defender. But I saw previously it did not (at least not on my PC). While I have NOD32 installed on my laptop with Win 10, I don't use the laptop nearly as much as my desktop PC. Also, I think NOD32 was, in part, the reason why my previous Win 10 install "constipated".

I do have lighter programs installed like Malwarebytes, Bandicam, Bandicut and other video related software that I've tested without issues.

Thanks again everyone for the suggestions.

[67Cuda]

Glad everything worked out.

[Dragunov]

UPDATE - PROBLEM SOLVED.

I ended up doing a clean install. Since the clean install, everything working fine. After making sure everything within Win 10 is current, I then "introduced" printers/scanners (anything requiring a driver) one-by-one. I let Win 10 find the driver. I then tested out each peripheral (restarting 4 times after each peripheral's driver was installed and tested).

First program installed was MS Office, which went well. Then re-started. I did a restart after installing each program (Acrobat, Photoshop, Quickbooks Pro, Quicken, Chrome, Opera, etc., etc.).

So far, everything is good. I DID NOT install EST NOD32 anti-virus. From what I've read (or lack thereof from ESET's web site), they are not conveying confidence that their anti-virus software is 100% Win 10 compatible. They say it will automatically disable Win Defender. But I saw previously it did not (at least not on my PC). While I have NOD32 installed on my laptop with Win 10, I don't use the laptop nearly as much as my desktop PC. Also, I think NOD32 was, in part, the reason why my previous Win 10 install "constipated".

I do have lighter programs installed like Malwarebytes, Bandicam, Bandicut and other video related software that I've tested without issues.

Thanks again everyone for the suggestions.

Glad you got it figured out. You did what I would've done..... I'm not a patient man, when it comes to computers.

Good job!

[Bushwack44]

Question... There's a file called Windows.old I assume during the clean install Windows keeps a copy of the "old" files.

Might be a foolish question but, can I delete this folder? I have copies of the files inside the folder. Or does Windows (for whatever reason), need the name of this folder installed to work properly?

[MrBlazito]

The 1709 update is the Windows 10 Fall Creator update. Its a big update and it has been causing some issues on some computers. I just did the update on my laptop and desktop. The laptop update went smooth. Took about an hour. The desktop update wasn't as smooth. Once the update started installing, my monitor lost signal and did not turn back on. I didn't know what was happening. The HD activity LED was a solid RED. After about 10-15 min of not knowing if it has crashed or if its doing anything in the background, I cold rebooted the computer. Well, the monitor still did not turn on after the reboot. So I hooked up my TV to it and worked on my TV while the computer monitor did not work. When I got it to work on my TV it was showing that Windows was restoring to previous version...AKA...the update failed. After doing some reading I found out that this issue is caused by outdated video driver. Once windows restored itself to the version prior the Creator update, I installed the latest video driver and tried again. This time the update installed without a problem.

OP. Download the update manually. Make sure all your drivers are up to date and are from the manufacturers websites. Then give the 1709 update a try. May take a while. Let it do it's thing.

[Dragunov]

Question... There's a file called Windows.old I assume during the clean install Windows keeps a copy of the "old" files.

Might be a foolish question but, can I delete this folder? I have copies of the files inside the folder. Or does Windows (for whatever reason), need the name of this folder installed to work properly?

Yes, use windows native disk cleaner ONLY to do it.

[area51]

You can avoid all this windows non sense. Get Linux mint


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[sonofeugene]

How much is your time worth? Drives are cheap. Buy a new drive and a new copy of 10. Install fresh, install apps fresh, then install old drive as second drive and copy data to new drive. Do NOT have old drive installed in computer when loading new OS on new drive. Good luck.

[the86d]

You can avoid all this windows non sense. Get Linux mint

Close, but try Elementary instead(, or for a leaner approach, try Slackware that only boots to a CLI interface by default... for a one-trick-pony). Pear OS was a fast, lean and better, but they got bought out by what we believe to be Apple. Elementary seems to be the next best thing.

https://elementary.io/ Put "0" in the donation amount to try.

[nine mil thrill]

"How much is your time worth? Drives are cheap. Buy a new drive and a new copy of 10. Install fresh, install apps fresh, then install old drive as second drive and copy data to new drive. Do NOT have old drive installed in computer when loading new OS on new drive. Good luck."

exactly !!! very easy, very important to only add slave drive after new system is installed on hard drive and is current with updates.

[rs4ever]

If I have to guess one of the services are not set to run.
Log into windows in safe mode and run services.msc.
Scroll down till you see the credentials manager service and make sure it’s set to automatic.