DOJ CLARIFICATION

[SemiAutoSam]

I called about the legality of my MAG-LOCK as well and was told that its illegal. so dont bother to make it and or attempt to market it.

I described the lock as it would require a tool (Allen Wrench) to remove the magazine and a individual would not be able to remove the magazine without the use of the Allen wrench.

that was almost 2 years ago.

Their misrepresentation of the law might have cost me $$$$ as I would have put more $$$ at the time into this project and hence might have made more out of it.

[Charliegone]

Everyone,
As you know I wrote to the DOJ about the legality of PTR-91's as well as some other rifles like the Ewbanks Ak type receivers and the Romanian PSL known as the Romak 3 (I believe). What was strange was that Alison M. told me in the letter that Romak 3 rifles were illegal because they were similar to the Romak 991's. I believe Gene has the copy of the ptr-91 letter that I scanned. I also have the other letters if there is any need for them. Please let me know if you need them.

[kakpataka]

Guys,
I called FAD today , it was around 0420pm and someone answered right after 2 rings. I think it was Bret or Brent? Well, he said that having prince50 or OLL with a fixed mag that detaches via a tool is really a question of interpretation of law. He said he couldnt give a legal advise as they dont make the law and consult with a lawyer as the issues is more with the cops in the sense that they are the ones who would arrest someone if what they found was an AW per their interpretion. he said that these devices or CA legal Ak's that feed from the side etc are based on the interpretation of their designers etc .
How ai I supposed to buy a rifle when I dont even know what the interpretation of law according to the cops 2 towns away from me would be? is it worth ending up getting bailed out and spend on legal fees? Is it even worth owning a rifle anymore? Some of us just dont have the $$$ if it ever comes out to hiring an attorney. I am majorly depressed......I am just foreigner , what do I know!
Is nt there a way to go to court and get a declaration whether a certain weapon /s and certain configuration is or is not legal? The gun makers can make major $$$$ if the CA courts can clearly define it with something favorable.
Any takers for the suit? or is there really a case pending before the court that would define AW in detail? Thanks for reading the post , I am your resident foreigner here!

[bwiese]

Hi..............What the status on this suit? Any updates pls?

This relates to the ongoing Hunt case, and matters evolving from that.

Things appear to have reached a critical mass.

[kakpataka]

I am very new to Calguns so basically my knowledge regarding ongoing cases is nill! is the Hunt case set some sort of precedent that can clearly bring out/define the law? Pls include a link to this case on the forum if there is one pls!

[hoffmang]

I'd suggest you try using search on Hunt. It's an older case about the by features AW ban.

-Gene

[artherd]

I can give you some information regarding your request #1.
I have a few letters from the Ca Dept. of Justice when I asked for specific information regarding the legality of stripped AR-15 type lower receivers. I can give you my requests to them, and the DOJ's replies. I saved all this information. I am somewhat reluctant to join a lawsuit against the DOJ, as I don't need the problems they could bring. (losing my rifles). I really dont want to use my name, or give the forwarded emails they sent me to you. I dont want the DOJ tracing it back to me. I can tho, give you everything that was in the letters. e-mail me at zfishlover@aol.com. Good luck with your efforts. -ShootsStraight

1) All of what you describe is public record anyway, we're just helping cathog collect it quicker.
2) You're not joining a lawsuit, and even if you did, it would not result in losing your rifles.

Yeikes, are people this scared of DOJ?

[hoffmang]

Not everyone has learned first hand that it takes some competence for an organization to be frightening in the first place.

-Gene

[artherd]

OH NO HE DIDN'T!

[bwiese]

Not everyone has learned first hand that it takes some competence for an organization to be frightening in the first place.

-Gene

Yeah, I worry more about accidental DOJ actions than planned, thoughtful ones.

Pomona gunshow HK pistol grips, anyone?
Robinson Arms seizures, cuz they can't read?
And then approval of Evan's/GBsales welded-up named guns?
Trying to list an unlistable Saiga?

I think they just plan spin-the-bottle up there...

[metalhead357]

I think they just plan spin-the-bottle up there...

LOL! you may be right...but for you to be up this late and thinking about spinning the bottle.......you need a date!!!!!

((and I need some blessed sleep))

[FEDUPWBS]

1) All of what you describe is public record anyway, we're just helping cathog collect it quicker.

Yeikes, are people this scared of DOJ?

The short answer is YES!
Thank you guys for all you are doing for this sport/hobby(GOD GIVEN RIGHT!).
Without people like you those people would be working on banning bolt action rifles cause thats all that would be left.

[artherd]

I think they just plan spin-the-bottle up there...

Bill, you crack me up!

[Charliegone]

God, I remember the Pomona gun shows...I remember walking around and seeing a huge bullet and was like, man that's cool. I asked my dad to buy it for me and he did (turns out it was a .50BMG). I walked out with the bullet to parking lot, showed it to my friends, and guess what? Nothing happened...nowadays if a kid did that...I miss the good ole' days.

[five.five-six]

Does anybody have a copy of Evan's "approval letter" for his welded magwell on-list rifles? I'd like to see that. I have also decided to start a DOJ letter writing campaign myself, although from what Clinton has shown above it seems that it will be less than satisfying. I'll do it anyway.

ohhh that would be a beaute!! I would love to see iggy defend that one... I sent cash for the BWO d-fence, I will see if I can scrape up another hundred.. the wife got pretty pissed when she found out about the last one