Underground Regulation: Non Rosterable Frames

[Joe]

this is awesome

[Monte]

Good question - but what good is a barrelled upper without a bolt, firing pin, hammer, etc. - it definitely is not quite cleanly as cut since the MkII upper has a barrel and chamber - but still lacks the majority of what would make up a "handgun'.

Only a complete assembled handgun has the ability to fire. A pac-lite upper does not, even though it has a chamber.

The paclite does not come with a bolt, which also means it has no firing pin. The paclite uses your original bolt. There's also no hammer since that is part of the frame.

A paclite is a perfect NeRF example.

Good points about the lack of bolt and firing pin. Completely forgot they didn't come with those parts.

[hoffmang]

Good points about the lack of bolt and firing pin. Completely forgot they didn't come with those parts.

You will note that in the document I say that "a frame or receiver generally does not contain a chamber..." I was thinking of some revolver frames that would have integral barrels in the frame but that is another example.

-Gene

[BigDogatPlay]

Gene, thank you. That petition is brilliant and simple. The words in the law mean things, and it's good that the BoF may get to learn that lesson again.

While any hearing is a crap shoot, it's going to be very difficult to argue against the logic and the facts of the petition. I wish I could be there to hear BoF trying to argue it as it is bound to be funny.

CGF is just about the best thing gun owners in California have going for them these days. I'll have a donation on the way out this weekend.

[GuyW]

Only a complete assembled handgun has the ability to fire.

So a non-fireable gun is defacto "safe", yes?

What safety-nazi can object to a non-firing gun?
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[Librarian]

So a non-fireable gun is defacto "safe", yes?

What safety-nazi can object to a non-firing gun?
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But is it "not-unsafe"?

[artherd]

"The Calguns Foundation - teaching state lawyers the actual meaning of the law since 2008"

I like it

[hoffmang]

"The guys who would become Calguns Foundation - teaching state lawyers the actual meaning of the law since 2006"

Fixed it for you.

-Gene

[artherd]

hehehehe - BAM!

[tonelar]

Can you guys say which ffl(s) are working with CGF on NeRF ing?

[CSDGuy]

As I see it, a NRF can't be unsafe or not-unsafe simply because it can't be tested. A brick would be just as testable... and would have the same outcome as a NRF.

[artherd]

Can you guys say which ffl(s) are working with CGF on NeRF ing?

**** NO man! IF we could, we would. When the time comes, we will

Till then, please keep in mind that I started on OLLs in 2003. They didn't happen till 2005. Good things take strategic planning, time, and a metric assload of money

[7x57]

As I see it, a NRF can't be unsafe or not-unsafe simply because it can't be tested. A brick would be just as testable... and would have the same outcome as a NRF.

Ahhh! Shut up, shut up, shut up!!!!! We do NOT want them to think about that. If they do, they'll be after our bricks next.

7x57

[383green]

I'm happy to see that you're not using those silly imperial units of money.

[thatrogue]

CalGuns foundation feels a little like are own little "Sons of Liberty" some 230 years later.