armoured car security with gun in hand leaving bank???

[BLK RFL DIV]

So in regard to one of my previous posts about cash & transit security in South Africa, this just appeared on Liveleak.

Again, not going to embed video because it is **NSFW**

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=68a_1423419967

30 Cadres attacked a cash in transit company in the Bedford centre in Johannesburg on 29/01/2015.
Security was not allowed to carry assault rifles as it scared the customers, but 30 assailants came armed with assault weapons and armour piercing ammo. ( Tungsten forged bullets were found on scene) However we managed to drop 2 bad guys one lost an arm and one his leg. You could say the crime cost them an arm and a leg!

[jasonator]

I've worked in the armored business for 17 years and this practice is legal (not brandishing). The courts have made an exception for armed couriers due to the inherent risk involved in our job.

[Squirly]

Yeah that would mean you earn your money every run. Now I'm freaked out

I used to work for Brinks, never had to unholster my pistol on the job but I know that on certain routes in the bad parts of town, it was common practice for certain stops.

It's all about adapting to the situation and creating the best possible outcome. For example, on one route I had, we picked up cash from a gas station/ smoke shop (single wide trailer on a dirt lot) on one of the reservations. We would pull about 100K from there every single time, we would walk in, grab the money, sign their book and get back to the car as soon as we could and update our book and do the rest of the paperwork from the safety of the armored car. Reason was is, it was in the middle of the woods in an Indian Reservation, so police response was next to not existent, and it had a history of being robbed multiple times.

Depending on the stop, may call for multiple guards, armed with shotguns and or rifles.

[Steve1968LS2]

That is not normal I've never seen in my life a armed courier with a unholstered weapon and I used to be in banking for many years. Not unless their was a threat etc or potential threat seen, then yes they could do that.

Only time I saw something similar to this was when I was at a grocery store with a ATM and some punk wanna be gangster asked the courier is that a real gun? He unsnaps the break on his holster and grabs the grip but does not remove it.

Ive seen it many times..

They should be paranoid.. they are often targets and since they are armed the robbers are most likely going to gun them down to get the loot.

[pacrat]

Was that in 1988? Long time ago.. Nothing newer? Maybe the training people are discussing is working to stop kill and grabs...

This is just a quick link grab off of google the stats are old but relevant. Just google "Security Guard Murdered on Job". There are thousands of links.

For all the disdain shown by many. It is a dangerous line of work.

http://www.ifpo.org/resource-links/articles-and-reports/officer-issues/death-by-homicide-and-the-american-security-guard/

[Mark49]

Sounds like Garda.

Yes that's where he works, but his major concern is to be quick and alert to his surroundings. They do have two guards holding 12 ga when the trucks arrive to the warehouse.

[North Bay Guy]

I've never seen this before. My friend worked as an armed brinks worker. I'll have to ask him if this is normal. He said almost all the robberies are an inside job and they usually catch them because they do something dumb like try to buy a new $60k car with cash in the next county or something similar. He also said some of the biggest transactions they would do were at corner stores in the worst neighborhoods of the SF Bay Area.

[RedFord150]

I've worked in the armored business for 17 years and this practice is legal (not brandishing). The courts have made an exception for armed couriers due to the inherent risk involved in our job.

Thank you for sharing your professional knowledge with all of us and welcome to CG!

Stay safe.

[calibased]

Depends on the area and what the cargo was. Honestly though i think the guy just wanted to walk around with his dick in the wind.

[Squirly]

Yes thanks for the good quality answer. I learned a lot on this thread so far.

Thank you for sharing your professional knowledge with all of us and welcome to CG!

Stay safe.

[Tri750]

All thru the 80's and early 90's, I worked at a large auto parts retailer.
6 days a week, Valley Armored Transport would show up and pick up a bag.
Every time, the pick up guard came in with is weapon drawn.
The two regular old timers would carry it in plain view. One, a Smith 4in. .357, the other, a Ruger .44 mag hog leg.
The young guys on the weekend shifts had I think Beretta 92's and semi-hid them behind their leg when they walked in and waited at the office door.

The guy who had the .44 said even though it was heavy, he carried it as a deterrent and so if he shot someone and missed 6 times, he could beat um with it! Great old guy. Old guy, he was probably in his 40's and I was early 20's.

[Garand1911]

Sounds like brandishing. My friend worked for Dunbar, never un-holstered his weapon.

No offense, but in the armored car business, Dunbar is known as DUMB-bar.


Un-holstered weapons is pretty much SOP nowadays, but im sure its a personal preference and not required.