Gunfighter Tactical Takes a Stand, no special sales to LEOs

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

Not saying it doesn't happen. I'm just saying it does not occur with any frequency or regularity. I work for one of the largest agencies and know of dozens of officers, sergeants, lieutenants and a certain captain who received a ticket recently in a neighboring newly formed city, by an officer who used to work for my agency. Watch the news much?

How many times have you been stopped and/or cited since you have been a LEO? Ever have a unit follow you just long enough to run 28's, 29's then loose interest? Professional Courtesy or luck? In my experiences it is without a doubt the former. I am grateful, I just refuse to deny the obvious. I am not that lucky.

[yzErnie]

How many times have you been stopped and/or cited since you have been a LEO?

In my 34+ years I was stopped twice in my POV. Neither time did I display or say anything about my employment. My mentality was that I was speeding and if I have one coming I'll take it. I was courteous, polite and didn't get written on either incident....just as I had not written thousands of other non-cops I had pulled over during my career.

[jay_cue]

In my 34+ years I was stopped twice in my POV. Neither time did I display or say anything about my employment. My mentality was that I was speeding and if I have one coming I'll take it. I was courteous, polite and didn't get written on either incident....just as I had not written thousands of other non-cops I had pulled over during my career.

I can respect that. I was honestly curious how others react when pulled over and if/how quickly they try to get out of a ticket.

[Untamed1972]

People can shop where they want and sell to whomever they wish. My only gripe here is people wanting to label what is a lawful activity the law prescribes for certain categories of people into derogatory terms such as "entitled" and "privileged". It's neither, it's just something the law permits. To the idiot who states he would take full advantage and stockpile and sell those "off-roster" handguns, I say it's been done already. Those local LEO's are no longer LEO's and were prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and lost everything. Lifelong dreams of a LE career were squandered and they embarrassed themselves locally, statewide and nationally, to say nothing of the monetary cost they endured.

It also used to be lawful to own people as slaves, to force them to use separate public facilities, and to preclude gay people from marrying.

Just because something is legal....does not mean it is moral, ethical, or constitutional.

[Untamed1972]

In my 34+ years I was stopped twice in my POV. Neither time did I display or say anything about my employment. My mentality was that I was speeding and if I have one coming I'll take it. I was courteous, polite and didn't get written on either incident....just as I had not written thousands of other non-cops I had pulled over during my career.

Then you have the flipside.....I personally witnessed Sheriff's deputies stop a drunk driver....and I'm talking stumbling drunk and wreaking of booze.....who turned out to be a LEO, they gave him a free taxi ride home with ZERO action be taken other than to do him the favor of parking his car on a side street for him to pick up later.

And they did this in front of me while I was on a citizen ride along.

[Bluesman]

Outstanding!

Good to see a company that voices an opposition to an elite class.

If the firearm is too unsafe for me, It's too unsafe for everyone!

[sl0re10]

Life's not fair,deal with it like an adult. Choices are; fight to chnge Cali law dealing with roster and 10 rnd mags, move to a less regulated state, or join a dang LE agency to placate your need for "handgun equality/fairness".

If anyone here doesn't think LEO's write other LEO's traffic tickets, you're living in a time more than two decades old,especially if you're referring to large modern agencies. Car camras record speed and body cameras record the conversation. Professional courtesy isn't extended like it once was.

meh; I'll do both. Do what I can to remove leo exemptions and get rid of the roster.

When leos don't have special exemptions; maybe they'll get off their rears to speak out about stupid gun laws...

[StuckInTheP.R.O.Ca]

Then you have the flipside.....I personally witnessed Sheriff's deputies stop a drunk driver....and I'm talking stumbling drunk and wreaking of booze.....who turned out to be a LEO, they gave him a free taxi ride home with ZERO action be taken other than to do him the favor of parking his car on a side street for him to pick up later.

And they did this in front of me while I was on a citizen ride along.

A few years ago the Riverside PD Chief was DUI and hit several cars and a light poll. RPD arrived and gave him a pass. After news of this got out CHP had to be called in to investigate due to RPD's failure to to properly investigate.

It is beyond me why people are in such denial of these occurrences. A good portion of the time no stop is made in the first place because the Officer will typically run the plates prior to the T-stop. The plate will come back as confidential and identifying the agency. Also even if a LEO is stopped, if they are carrying the first thing they are going to tell the Officer is that they are a off duty LEO and that they have their off duty weapon with them.

[yzErnie]

Then you have the flipside.....I personally witnessed Sheriff's deputies stop a drunk driver....and I'm talking stumbling drunk and wreaking of booze.....who turned out to be a LEO, they gave him a free taxi ride home with ZERO action be taken other than to do him the favor of parking his car on a side street for him to pick up later.

And they did this in front of me while I was on a citizen ride along.

I've done the same thing over my career. But it just wasn't a rare occasion DUI cop either. I've done the same thing for non-cops....as long as there was no collision, no property damage or injuries. Sometimes there are just some folks with no criminal history that have a bad day, or a divorce or whatever and make a bad decision. IMO, there is no reason in ruining someone's life if they are a truly good citizen, have no history and make a bad decision.

That said, I have had to arrest cops for the stupid sh*t they have done. I was not happy about it but they chose the course of action. Domestic violence, hate crimes, DUI crashes. Through their poor decisions they chose how their future worked out, not me.

[sd joe]

I personally knew a Local officer who committed suicide after his second DUI. I don't think officers always get off like some posters have implied.
If they can get around some of our crappy laws, so be it. I don't know about you guys, but I get over when I can as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else.

[roostersgt]

Everything yzernies said, except I've never driven home a DUI, ever. Want to lose your pay and be suspended for a month and ruin your career to "cover" somebody's else' s lapse in good judgement? Maybe back before dash cameras things like tha happened, and perhaps still do in smaller agencies, but not in mine or the nearby jurisdictions. It doesn't happen. Sure, someone might get cut a break, but with no more regularity than any other driver who receives a warning. I only wrote about 20% of those I stopped, mainly based upon attitude, driving record and seriousness of violation, except when working a directed patrol event, or state reimbursed safety program.

No, I've never received any professional courtesy in my more than 26+ years of service. Been stopped twice, both for equipment violations and never mentioned being LEO. Both times were trailer light problems, which were immediately fixed. I always wear a seat belt, don't operate a hand held cellular telephone and drive the speed limit. Been driving these streets almost 40 years and have never received anything other than a parking ticket.

[Untamed1972]

I've done the same thing over my career. But it just wasn't a rare occasion DUI cop either. I've done the same thing for non-cops....as long as there was no collision, no property damage or injuries. Sometimes there are just some folks with no criminal history that have a bad day, or a divorce or whatever and make a bad decision. IMO, there is no reason in ruining someone's life if they are a truly good citizen, have no history and make a bad decision.

That said, I have had to arrest cops for the stupid sh*t they have done. I was not happy about it but they chose the course of action. Domestic violence, hate crimes, DUI crashes. Through their poor decisions they chose how their future worked out, not me.

The part that pissed me off was earlier that night we'd stopped a teenager at the EXACT same spot, who admitted to having a drink but was no where near drunk and was under the legal limit according to the breathalyzer. He got hooked up, car impounded and the whole deal. While the LEO was swerving, ran a red light, was stumbling drunk, nearly feel on his face getting out of the car, tripped on the curb....and he got a brass pass. I'm sorry.....but it was total BS and that action diminished my opinion of the local LEOs. If they had no qualms about openly doing that in front of me, a citizen ride-along, what do they do when no one is watching?

[JDay]

I personally knew a Local officer who committed suicide after his second DUI. I don't think officers always get off like some posters have implied.
If they can get around some of our crappy laws, so be it. I don't know about you guys, but I get over when I can as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else.

The LEO exemptions hurt us all. If it wasn't for those exemptions the magazine capacity limit and assault weapons ban and handgun roster never would have passed.

[Tasty]

The LEO exemptions hurt us all. If it wasn't for those exemptions the magazine capacity limit and assault weapons ban and handgun roster never would have passed.

I'm under this train of thought as well. I can't help but believe that if the police officers who disagreed with the proposed laws would publicly speak up, the bills would die off. I'd also like to think that if a politician kept introducing laws that were masked as addressing public safety, but constantly drawing heavy criticism from LEOs, the people might not reelect them.