AOW for Mp5k clone

[SmellOfCordite]

I purchased a mp5k clone from atlantic arms a few months ago, and have been looking into turning it into an AOW to put the forward grip on. Does anyone know: 1) is it even worth it, or 2) where is a class 3 dealer in the Bay Area?

I think it would be pretty fun to have the forward grip on for general range trips. What does everyone think?

[Quiet]

I purchased a mp5k clone from atlantic arms a few months ago, and have been looking into turning it into an AOW to put the forward grip on. Does anyone know: 1) is it even worth it, or 2) where is a class 3 dealer in the Bay Area?

I think it would be pretty fun to have the forward grip on for general range trips. What does everyone think?

1. Being in CA, it's meh.

2. You do not need a FFL/SOT in order to make an AOW.
Since you already own the Title 1 Handgun, you just need to submit a Form 1 & $200 to make an AOW. After you get BATFE approval, you can legally install the vertical forward grip on it.

You would need a FFL/SOT in order to acquire (transfer) an existing AOW.
You would buy it, then submit a Form 4 & $5 to transfer an AOW. After you get BATFE approval, the FFL/SOT will then transfer it to you.

[SmellOfCordite]

Interesting, thanks Quiet. So as long as I own it and have a trust I am good. I may have to do look into doing this after the new year. I have heard the forms are coming in much more quickly now with the e filing system too.

[ke6guj]

Interesting, thanks Quiet. So as long as I own it and have a trust I am good. I may have to do look into doing this after the new year. I have heard the forms are coming in much more quickly now with the e filing system too.

I would do this sooner vs.later. BATF has been trying to close the Trust option for the last 2 years. They announced a proposed regulation to require Trustees to get CLEO signoff but have been delaying the regulation for a while. the latest rumor is early 2015 that this might go into effect.

[jl7422]

ke6guj is correct. The trust option is under review right now. Whether or not it is "worth it" to do the conversion you are talking about is a matter of opinion but should the trust option end, you will be forced to get a CLEO sign-off to do an AOL build.

[Stanze]

Anyone know about how much an attorney will charge to create a trust for someone?

[Capybara]

Hmm...$200.00 for the Form 1 plus probably another $300.00 to $500.00 to an attorney to create a firearms trust so you can put a plastic VFG on a neutered semi-auto machine gun clone?

It's your money but $500.00 to $700.00 could buy a nice handgun, rifle or a reloading setup.

[SmellOfCordite]

Capybara, that makes a lot of sense when you put it that way. Way too expensive for a range toy I cannot put a rdias in or sbr. Might have to give up on this one.

After all it is 9mm and without being an auto, there is no real reason other than cosmetics and ergonomics to add the forend, but with funds tied up due to SSE it might not happen anymore. It's not like I am going to get Laurie Smith to sign off on a form 1.

[ke6guj]

if we knew that the Trust option wasn't going bye-bye anytime soon and the with the primary SSE option going away in 6 weeks drying up the availability of AOWs and AOW-hosts, then it might be worth it since you could spread the cost of the trust over multiple AOWs. but since it might just be a one-shot deal, probably not worth it for many people.

[SmellOfCordite]

if we knew that the Trust option wasn't going bye-bye anytime soon and the with the primary SSE option going away in 6 weeks drying up the availability of AOWs and AOW-hosts, then it might be worth it since you could spread the cost of the trust over multiple AOWs. but since it might just be a one-shot deal, probably not worth it for many people.

Is there still a chance for serbu's? Could always do it on AR/AK pistols(previously owned of course).

[Stanze]

Hmm...$200.00 for the Form 1 plus probably another $300.00 to $500.00 to an attorney to create a firearms trust so you can put a plastic VFG on a neutered semi-auto machine gun clone?

It's your money but $500.00 to $700.00 could buy a nice handgun, rifle or a reloading setup.

Thanks for your reply. Since we know CA DOJ is OK with the Sig Brace on an AOW; that investment is also cheap insurance for staying out of legal hot water. Does owning a registered NFA AOW open the owner to ATF and CA DOJ inspections?

[Quiet]

Does owning a registered NFA AOW open the owner to ATF and CA DOJ inspections?

No.

[Capybara]

No, but my FFL03 does. Not too worried about it though, from what I have heard from the guys on the C&R board, an ATF audit is exceedingly rare.

[ke6guj]

Is there still a chance for serbu's? Could always do it on AR/AK pistols(previously owned of course).

not likely due to timing issues of SSE going away and the trust option probably closing early next year as well. I just dont see enough time for you to get a CA NFA dealer to get one F3'ed to him so that he can F4 it to you before the end of hte year.

Thanks for your reply. Since we know CA DOJ is OK with the Sig Brace on an AOW; that investment is also cheap insurance for staying out of legal hot water.

how do we know that? I have not seen any documention that shows that, and I have been asking.

Does owning a registered NFA AOW open the owner to ATF and CA DOJ inspections?

nope.

[Stanze]

not likely due to timing issues of SSE going away and the trust option probably closing early next year as well. I just dont see enough time for you to get a CA NFA dealer to get one F3'ed to him so that he can F4 it to you before the end of hte year.

how do we know that? I have not seen any documention that shows that, and I have been asking.


nope.

I got my info from the Franklin Armory thread regarding AOW and Sig Braces.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=937049