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  • #31
    mr2ndamendment
    Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 451

    Practically speaking, there is really only one purpose for the registration of guns and it's not favorable to the gun owner.

    I don't need mommy Kamala Harris keeping track of my gun serial numbers, I can do that all by myself thank you. In the event my guns are stolen I'll have photos, descriptions, serial numbers, and everything else provided to law enforcement on the very off chance I ever see any of them again.

    The only real purpose of registration of anything is to let the government know what you have so they can regulate it, tax it, control it, or take it should they no longer think you should have it. It certainly didn't do anything to stop the shooting at Newtown and I'm not aware of any crimes that were stopped because of gun registration. If the government really needs to get information on a gun serial number/person they can initiate an ATF trace, which will point to who the gun was released to -all of that can be done independently of any state registry. The power and capabilities they already have should be more than enough, a state registry at the DOJ's fingertips is just inviting abuse.

    With that said, I have no desire to place this much trust in the government, especially the CA DOJ. Registration serves no positive or practical purpose for me, and doesn't stop crime. It's just another tool at hand for any government, giving it more capability to keep tabs on and control its people without reason. I'm reminded of a very dark but powerful question; "how did gun registration in Nazi Germany help create a safer society?" That's an extreme example but don't be surprised who may eventually walk through the door if you've left it wide-open.

    For the few people reading this who don't understand where I'm coming from, I would urge you to ponder something. How would you feel if the government made you register all Bibles and other religious texts? You have some that you owned prior to 2014 and were "considering" registering them with the government. Why do they need to know? What's wrong with exercising your 1st Amendment rights without big brother knowing everything? The same disgusting feeling you get from thinking about registering Bibles is the feeling I get when prompted with the idea of gun registration. Too many voices from the grave hinder my chances of being ignorant and happy with registration.
    Last edited by mr2ndamendment; 10-29-2014, 12:32 PM.
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    • #32
      mr2ndamendment
      Member
      • Aug 2013
      • 451

      Originally posted by TomReloaded
      All mine are registered and i have no issue with that.
      Do you have any Bibles or religious texts purchased prior to 2014 the government should know about? You would of course register all Bibles with the government, just like you've registered your guns with them, what's the big deal? If this is your stance on the 2nd Amendment then certainly your stance on the 1st Amendment is consistent -unless of course there was some hypocrisy in our midst.
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      • #33
        joemama
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2008
        • 2333

        Originally posted by dwtt
        I had to fill out the form and pay $19 to register some rifles I bought out of state and brought back to CA in 2014. So far, noone's come to confiscate these guns.
        Yet is the key word here. And to those that "don't buy into the conspiracy theories", you should read up on some history and how realistic weapon confiscation is. It has even happened recently in the United States when hurricane Katrina came through.

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        • #34
          Tasty
          Senior Member
          • May 2011
          • 1829

          Originally posted by TomReloaded
          Nope. I just dont buy conspiracy theory.
          Then I hope you also don't mind your address popping up on an interactive map online as being a registered gun owner. Just look to the post Sandy Hook fallout if you think I'm making things up.

          What I do and do not own is nobody's business but my own.
          As the great warrior poet Ice Cube once said "If the day does not require an AK, it is good."

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          • #35
            RKBA-SNBI
            Gravity Storm Chaser
            CGN Contributor
            • Apr 2014
            • 100

            I'll get right on it.

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            • #36
              thai562
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2010
              • 1199

              The possibility of a similar situation happened to you is very small. The possibility of this state one day confiscated your firearms is imminent.

              Avoid questionable situations, and keep your mouth shut.

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              • #37
                357magnum
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2014
                • 1219

                This was no boating accident.
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                • #38
                  Kokopelli
                  Veteran Member
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 3413

                  Boating accident...

                  If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth. - Ronald Reagan

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                  • #39
                    Mute
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 8570

                    Originally posted by TomReloaded
                    Nope. I just dont buy conspiracy theory.
                    That's because you're probably not old enough to remember all the SKS owners who were told they could legally register their rifles during the early AW banning in this state and were later told that, no we were wrong. Sorry turn in your guns. May not have been a conspiracy, but this state does have a history of gun owners getting burned by firearms registrations.
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                    • #40
                      SDM44
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 3897

                      If you're really worried about it, save a copy of your DROS form that has the long gun serial number on it, along with your contact information.

                      Use that only when needed. Otherwise, store and keep away in a safe place.

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                      • #41
                        Aldemar
                        On Everyone's Ignore List
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 4707

                        Thru 2013, the DOJ is only aware of how many long guns you have purchased. They don't have any clue if it's a 10/22, a 416 Barrett, or a shotgun. If you are an old phart like me, they don't have a clue if I bought anything from a PP prior to 1991....and I will keep it that way if indeed I did buy something.
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                        • #42
                          Sabot
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 545

                          I registered my AW's after the 1989 ban. When the Sandy Hook shooting happened, Senator Rob Bonta -D Hayward, tried to push through a bill to confiscate these legally registered firearms from law abiding gun owners. I will never voluntary register another firearm again.

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                          • #43
                            XD40Kyle
                            Member
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 452

                            What guns?

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                            • #44
                              krwada
                              Senior Member
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Jun 2013
                              • 1457

                              This is ALL one needs to do...

                              Originally posted by mr2ndamendment
                              Practically speaking, there is really only one purpose for the registration of guns and it's not favorable to the gun owner.

                              I don't need mommy Kamala Harris keeping track of my gun serial numbers, I can do that all by myself thank you. In the event my guns are stolen I'll have photos, descriptions, serial numbers, and everything else provided to law enforcement on the very off chance I ever see any of them again.

                              The only real purpose of registration of anything is to let the government know what you have so they can regulate it, tax it, control it, or take it should they no longer think you should have it. It certainly didn't do anything to stop the shooting at Newtown and I'm not aware of any crimes that were stopped because of gun registration. If the government really needs to get information on a gun serial number/person they can initiate an ATF trace, which will point to who the gun was released to -all of that can be done independently of any state registry. The power and capabilities they already have should be more than enough, a state registry at the DOJ's fingertips is just inviting abuse.

                              With that said, I have no desire to place this much trust in the government, especially the CA DOJ. Registration serves no positive or practical purpose for me, and doesn't stop crime. It's just another tool at hand for any government, giving it more capability to keep tabs on and control its people without reason. I'm reminded of a very dark but powerful question; "how did gun registration in Nazi Germany help create a safer society?" That's an extreme example but don't be surprised who may eventually walk through the door if you've left it wide-open.

                              For the few people reading this who don't understand where I'm coming from, I would urge you to ponder something. How would you feel if the government made you register all Bibles and other religious texts? You have some that you owned prior to 2014 and were "considering" registering them with the government. Why do they need to know? What's wrong with exercising your 1st Amendment rights without big brother knowing everything? The same disgusting feeling you get from thinking about registering Bibles is the feeling I get when prompted with the idea of gun registration. Too many voices from the grave hinder my chances of being ignorant and happy with registration.
                              Yes ... what I outlined in bold, and underlined in this quote is ALL one needs to do in the event of a burglary.

                              Registration ... unless FORCED by the government should be resisted at ALL times ...

                              Unfortunately ... we in California are now required to register ALL TRANSFERS of firearms here.

                              Other than RAW's ... we have managed to fend-off registration of pre-existing firearms here.

                              What we really need to do is to try and get the tide turned the other way in terms of the Politics here.

                              I know that I will do everything I can to make this so.

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