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  • RandyRhoads
    Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 493

    Tacticallink.com warning

    I overpaid for there convertible 1-2 point SCAR bungee (over $150 with QD mount). http://www.tacticallink.com/SCAR_Con...gee_Sling.html
    After shouldering only a few times this happened.






    I'm not trying to be a drama queen on looks. That's not what concerned me. I can't imagine the sling lugs holding up to real use if that much material was removed from a couple of practice shoulderings. The MASH hook was tearing through it like cheese. It seems like in no time it would tear completely through.

    It could be argued I should have known better than putting steel attachments on the SCARs aluminum lugs, but I had no idea that's what they were made out of. Here's the problem I had with TacticalLink.

    Well after sending and email and multiple ignored posts on their Facebook page today I called. The guy sounded like someone who was caught red handed. He was stumbling with his words, umming and stalling. It was a relatively long conversation with me rewording the same questions different ways just to be sure I understood.

    He he did not even offer a refund for returning the product for being unsatisfied with it. (Website claims 30 day money back unsatisfactory guarantee) Let alone replace the damage it caused. I asked him point blank, so you sell a product knowing that it will cause this damage when used exactly how you say to use it on exactly the same weapon, with no warning to customers, and assume no responsibility. No. All he said was FN dropped the ball and sucks for making a terrible mount so take it up with them.

    He said he would make a note for his supervisor that maybe they should mention it on the site. That was it. He was very adamant on the thousands of law enforcement and military using this product happily with no problem. Right after he said this problem was normal and they knew it happens. Ok??

    He couldn't even form a decent we'll constructed reply to most of my questions, other than, oh well, take it up with FN.

    Just a heads up on this terrible customer service/company for anyone in the future thinking of making the same mistake I did and buying one of their products.


    Oh yeah, forgot to mention halfway through the conversation he accidentally ratted himself out that he did see my pictures and email. Yet never replied.Whoops.

    Had I known it was steel vs aluminum I wouldn't have mounted it unprotected, but I didn't know, and they didn't mention it. They specifically sell it for the SCAR and show it attached the same way I did, yet make no mention of this being an issue, yet acknowledge it is, but don't take responsibility.

    Just my $0.02 and my experience. Take it for what it's worth, buy from them or don't. But even if they rectified the problem the customer service alone would have made me never want to purchase from them again.
    Last edited by RandyRhoads; 10-20-2014, 5:04 PM.
  • #2
    Mitch
    Mostly Harmless
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Mar 2008
    • 6574

    Originally posted by RandyRhoads
    Had I known it was steel vs aluminum I wouldn't have mounted it unprotected, but I didn't know, and they didn't mention it. They specifically sell it for the SCAR and show it attached the same way I did, yet make no mention of this being an issue, yet acknowledge it is, but don't take responsibility.
    I don't think it's an issue. All HK style hooks are steel, and almost all shotgun Burnsed Loops (the ones from GG&G and Daniel Defense) are aluminum. I have never heard of a problem. Whatever the SCAR loops were designed to accept, it was going to be steel. No one is making hooks out of aluminum or plastic.

    Put your hook back on your SCAR and have fun with it.
    Originally posted by cockedandglocked
    Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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    • #3
      RandyRhoads
      Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 493

      Originally posted by Mitch
      I don't think it's an issue. All HK style hooks are steel, and almost all shotgun Burnsed Loops (the ones from GG&G and Daniel Defense) are aluminum. I have never heard of a problem. Whatever the SCAR loops were designed to accept, it was going to be steel. No one is making hooks out of aluminum or plastic.

      Put your hook back on your SCAR and have fun with it.
      Confused, you say put them back on, you've never had a problem. So you've never this happen? A few times of shouldering it and the MASH hook is peeling off aluminum like it's nothing. If it's doing that I would think after actually using it for a while it's going to continue cutting until the mount is practically nothing or actually breaks.

      So have you never had it do this? Or has it never gotten any worse once this has happened? I don't care about the scratches, what concerns me is going on a trip for several days of field use and having it wear all the way through.

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      • #4
        Tasty
        Senior Member
        • May 2011
        • 1829

        I'm not sure what you expected. You're attaching a piece of steel to aluminum, and with movement it's going to rub and move around. I'm not surprised that the steel hooks marked up the aluminum mounting point and the plastic around it.

        To be honest, I'd be pretty upset that I paid that kinda money for a rifle and the factory components aren't holding up to standard use.
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        • #5
          Mitch
          Mostly Harmless
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Mar 2008
          • 6574

          I don't think you have to worry about wearing right through the loop, but if that happened it sure wouldn't be Tactical Link's problem.
          Originally posted by cockedandglocked
          Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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          • #6
            RandyRhoads
            Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 493

            I agree it's bs FN slacked on the mounts. But I fail to see how them being made of aluminum is common knowledge. I don't see it on FNs site, or tactical links. How was I supposed to know unless I browsed a bunch of forums and saw this reported (surprised I didn't see that prior).

            If it won't eat through the mount that's a whole different story. However tactical link openly admitted to seeing my emails and posts to them without responding. Had they responded and made me aware this wear should stop after a while, perhaps I would have continued to use it longer and found that out.

            Furthermore, they have been somewhat rude and unprofessional in the responses I finally got. I am happy, they have at least agreed to take it back for a partial refund.

            If it's on an AR no problem. To me it boils down to them selling a product they know will chew it up and don't mention it, passing it off as common knowledge that shouldn't have to be said. (Remember if it doesn't actually chew all the way through, different story, then they just have piss poor customer service )

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            • #7
              surplus-addict
              Calguns Addict
              • Jul 2011
              • 6534

              Originally posted by RandyRhoads
              I agree it's bs FN slacked on the mounts. But I fail to see how them being made of aluminum is common knowledge.
              They're anodized aluminum. Only aluminum has that type of finish, and you can tell it's anodizing by feel and how it looks. Very distinct.

              Does the metal hook have sharp edges, or rounded edges? If it has rounded edges, I'm sort of confused as to how it's marring the aluminum

              Regardless, sorry for he damage to your rifle dude. That sucks. Hopefully you can get to the bottom of this.
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              • #8
                Mitch
                Mostly Harmless
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Mar 2008
                • 6574

                Originally posted by RandyRhoads
                If it won't eat through the mount that's a whole different story. However tactical link openly admitted to seeing my emails and posts to them without responding. Had they responded and made me aware this wear should stop after a while, perhaps I would have continued to use it longer and found that out.
                In their defense, they probably didn't know how to respond. They received a customer complaint about a product that wasn't their issue at all, so there's nothing for them to fix. They might have replied, "Go cry to FN," but of course that's not an acceptable response. It's surprising how much easier it is to deal with customer complaints that apply to your own products (because you know what to do about it) compared to complaints about stuff that isn't related to you (because you have to formulate a nice way of saying, "Sorry, that's not our problem"). Been in those shoes many times.

                For one example from this week, there's a customer in New York who is very concerned about the California Proposition 65 warning we put in our manual (because one of our suppliers puts in in their MDS, so we are just passing it on). He wants us to tell him about harmful exposure levels and stuff about which we have no clue at all. We are having a hard time coming up with a reply that will satisfy him and he probably thinks we are stonewalling him.
                Originally posted by cockedandglocked
                Getting called a DOJ shill has become a rite of passage around here. I've certainly been called that more than once - I've even seen Kes get called that. I haven't seen Red-O get called that yet, which is very suspicious to me, and means he's probably a DOJ shill.

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                • #9
                  RandyRhoads
                  Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 493

                  Man I work with metal and it didn't even jump out at me as AA. Yeah the hook has pretty sharp edges. Like I said I only shouldered a couple times and look closely it peeled it like a carrot.

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                  • #10
                    RandyRhoads
                    Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 493

                    I still see them as sharing some blame. Key points

                    This is not just a sling being sold for whatever purpose. It is marketed specifically for the scar.

                    I don't believe it's common knowledge about the mounts. It may be well know to a lot of gun enthuthiests, but far from common knowledge.

                    So they sell it for a product they know it will chew up and don't have at least the courtesy to mention that to their customers?

                    If it was in the ranks of all the other slings not sold specifically for a certain rifle, sure, blame the manufacture for the damage. Think of it like selling an aftermarket bolt carrier for the scar that damages the receiver, then the company tying to blame FN for not making a better receiver?

                    I can agree with a lot you said but with the company I found customer support and common curtesy non existent. That's all. Even if I'm an idiot and should have know better.
                    Last edited by RandyRhoads; 11-08-2014, 1:44 PM.

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                    • #11
                      RandyRhoads
                      Member
                      • Jan 2012
                      • 493

                      This site is absolute garbage. It didn't end there. They emailed ME asking to review their product. I gave an honest and completely professional review on their product and customer service, and even commended them for at least giving me my money back. They didn't like it showing their product in a negative light, so they deleted it and blocked my IP address.

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                      • #12
                        k1dude
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • May 2009
                        • 14833

                        I would be pissed. But I have no idea what recourse you might have other than plastering the internet on every gun website with your photos and experiences.

                        I would also consider filing the sharp edges down on the insides of your hooks.
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                        • #13
                          RandyRhoads
                          Member
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 493

                          Originally posted by k1dude
                          I would be pissed. But I have no idea what recourse you might have other than plastering the internet on every gun website with your photos and experiences.

                          I would also consider filing the sharp edges down on the insides of your hooks.

                          There is nothing to be done and I don't expect anything. That's about it, warning people of the experience and letting them decide to do business with them or not. My discontent for this product aside, that's how they operate their business.

                          I bought an Ares MKII sling and love it. Glad I ended up with this instead. No more hooks, regular attachment to stock and getting a QD swivel up front.

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                          • #14
                            The War Wagon
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 10294

                            I've run TacticalLink single and two-point AR slings and mounts for 6 years with no issues now. This is a whole 'nother can of worms as it were - I'm just surprised you got such a lousy response from them.

                            I'd follow up again - maybe with a e-mail and pics, or better still, a letter on some letterhead, with pictures. And a link to this thread, so they understand better what's going on. They might still deny culpability because of the mis-matching of metals, but I think you'll get a better response than you did by phone.
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                            • #15
                              RandyRhoads
                              Member
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 493

                              Originally posted by The War Wagon
                              I've run TacticalLink single and two-point AR slings and mounts for 6 years with no issues now. This is a whole 'nother can of worms as it were - I'm just surprised you got such a lousy response from them.

                              I'd follow up again - maybe with a e-mail and pics, or better still, a letter on some letterhead, with pictures. And a link to this thread, so they understand better what's going on. They might still deny culpability because of the mis-matching of metals, but I think you'll get a better response than you did by phone.
                              They did not reply to my emails, or Facebook posts which led me to Youtube, where I finally got a reply that seemed a bit rude for a company. Ultimately it led to a refund, but not before some discussion... Basically insinuating i'm stupid stating all of this should have been "Common sense" and I didn't have it. The first thing I said on my comment was this may me fine on an AR, but not on a SCAR, which is what they specifically sell it for. If it works on your AR and your happy with it cool. You have it attached without the MASH hooks I assume.



                              I don't know what response more I could get that's positive. They clearly don't care. As much dislike as I had for the product it was all taken care of, and over with. Then they emailed me asking for a review. They didn't like getting a non positive review, so they deleted it and blocked me. Nothing further. I can't even go to their site to contact them.

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