Is this a Scam? Or just illegal?

[OptionX3]

Saw the ad from Shotgun News from few months back. Money order only? C'mon!
What do you think?

[toolman9000]

[Jpach]

Iv heard about this type of stuff from Shotgun News before. Newspaper STING!!!!!!! Too bad it aint legal or for reals.

[Ding126]

Back in the 80's you could buy a drop in sear for under 100 bucks' Now it might be legal to sell but what the buyer does with it is the question....

I would stay away..a registered F/A NFA rifle ( AR ) will cost you about 12k in the free states.

run fast and run far

[VeryCoolCat]

Well Its well known on the internet and has been in shotgun news for like 10+ years.

Your probably better off somehow illegally machining your own

[NeoWeird]

Here's the deal.

The DIAS was original deemed NOT a machine gun. They were made for several years. Later the ATF ruled that they WERE a machine gun and needed to be registered with the ATF; all currently owned DIAS were grandfathered in and do NOT have to be registered with the ATF.

So there ARE DIASs out there that are legal to transfer without being controlled by the NFA, however these types of deals are almost ALWAYS someone who made a batch and is looking to sell them as originals. Originals sell for several thousand a piece to give you an idea.

It's a moot point anyways as the DIAS, whether NFA controlled or not, is not legal in California without VERY special permits.

[OptionX3]

Yeah, the ad looks like something straight out of 80's.

[NeoWeird]

Hmm, last I heard prices on them were like $200 too - guess the new guys are getting desperate and/or trying to undercut the market.

Just an observation; the DIAS in the picture has the side relief cut that was put in later to get around the notch put in receivers to prevent the old style DIAS from being put in. Sure, they could have used a modern picture instead of the older style, but the old style won't have that relief (at least I don't think they will).

[Glock30]

Lol saw this a couple weeks ago in one of their ads.

[eagleboard]

ive researched this before and i do believe it will not even work if it did drop in, unless u have a m16 bolt.or the older ar bolt that doesnt have the underside alongated out.

[CHS]

ive researched this before and i do believe it will not even work if it did drop in, unless u have a m16 bolt.or the older ar bolt that doesnt have the underside alongated out.

For a DIAS to work, you need all the normal M16 fire control parts, minus the auto-sear (That's the whole point of the DIAS).

M16 hammer, trigger, disconnector, selector, bolt carrier.

A DIAS'ed gun will not be subtle

Now, if you want to talk about being subtle with illegal machinegun conversions, try the lightning link instead. (NOT LEGAL)

[Max-the-Silent]

Su-press-on?

Back in the wild and wooly days pre May 19 1986, a guy named George Dodson owned that company name and he claimed he was the imnventor of the DIAS.

Here's some comprehensive information on the subject:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/ar_15_auto_sear_faq.txt

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/jim_jeffries/jim3.txt

This is something to pay close attention to:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=7th&navby=case&no=973748

[Guntech]

Whered you find that ad?

[Xerxes]

This is in that category of grey law where sometimes they can get you, but if you have a good lawyer (translation lots of $$) they can not.

If manufactured before the magical date it is a lawful device to own, sell, and transfer.


They would have to prove it was made after 1986 to find you guilty of owning a unregistered device.

So you could go ahead and order one and be safe, NOT!

The Feds have constructive intent laws, unlike the DOJ where you can buy magazine repair parts kits legally.

I other words if you own, have, are near, have in your house, have registered to you, and blah blah blah a AR15 and also this device then you can go to club Fed.

As such you could purchase one of these and be within but very very close to the boundaries of what is legal but only if you do not have anything AR related in you possession.

Not sure why you pay all that money for something you can not ever use though.

GOOD LUCK!

[EBR Works]

It's on page 204 of the September 20th Shotgun News.