Would this be considered a Locked case?

[sully007]

If I put a lock on this bag, would it be considered a lock case for transporting a firearm to the range?




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[003]

Can it be opened without a key? If so it is not a locked case.

[Librarian]

My guess, no.

If the rings might be welded, so they could not be opened without a tool, then locking the rings with a padlock probably would suffice.

But with no definition of 'secure', it is difficult to be sure if the modification I suggest would be sufficient.

Personally, I like hard sided cases; since I'm forced to guess on the point, I prefer those to soft-sided. But that's just a preference - there's no solid information that it might be a requirement.

[dozer wright]

Thats what i do throw a pad lock thru the rings. Id argue that it would be faster to cut into the soft case or smash the lock with hammer. Than pull key rings off with a pad lock most people cant get a key off a key ring without a tool . Good luck getting the rings off the case with the lock in place. Anything can be broken into. The point being that it cannot be access quickly and easily.

[pilot613]

i cant tell you if that is considered a locked "secure" container bec. it can easily be manipulated to bypass the padlock witch would creates the "locked container" i would venture to say that if the rings were welded, so they can not easily bypass the lock then it would create a secure container with a lock.

pc16850

16850. As used in Sections 17740, 23925, 25105, 25205, 25135, and
25610, in Article 3 (commencing with Section 25505) of Chapter 2 of
Division 5 of Title 4, in Chapter 6 (commencing with Section 26350)
of Division 5 of Title 4, and in Chapter 7 (commencing with Section
26400) of Division 5 of Title 4, "locked container" means a secure
container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, keylock,
combination lock, or similar locking device. The term "locked
container" does not include the utility or glove compartment of a
motor vehicle.

i am not lawyer so please do not take any of the above as legal advice

as i was writing this several others have chimed in- librarian beat me to the welding idea.

[thedonger]

If I put a lock on this bag, would it be considered a lock case for transporting a firearm to the range?




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What if you put the pad lock thru the cord loops? Locked case?

[thegamettt]

What if you put the pad lock thru the cord loops? Locked case?

what if you ran them through both??

I've actually done this before when I couldn't find a suitable case. Just put it in the trunk too, then you'll be good.

Doubt there is case law on this, so its open to interpretation, and you don't want to let officer anti have that chance!

[CK_32]

I'm going to say no. Err on the side of caution.


Do not come to CGN for legal advice, just know anything any of us give is "legal suggestion."

My $0.02

[russ69]

I have no problem with it. Just because you can physically bypass the lock doesn't turn it into an unlocked container. Every container can be bypassed, some are harder than others but it's all a matter of degrees.

[71MUSTY]

pc16850

16850. As used in Sections 17740, 23925, 25105, 25205, 25135, and
25610, in Article 3 (commencing with Section 25505) of Chapter 2 of
Division 5 of Title 4, in Chapter 6 (commencing with Section 26350)
of Division 5 of Title 4, and in Chapter 7 (commencing with Section
26400) of Division 5 of Title 4, "locked container" means a secure
container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, keylock,
combination lock, or similar locking device. The term "locked
container" does not include the utility or glove compartment of a
motor vehicle.

i am not lawyer so please do not take any of the above as legal advice

What worries me is "that is fully enclosed" If you put a lock thru the rings or thru the loops and locked it I could still open a hole maybe two or three inches wide in the gap. With just a little bending of the soft sides I could then open that hole up even more, possibly enough to remove the weapon.

Would my Mother on Law on a Jury believe that was fully enclosed??

[mr2ndamendment]

We have arrived at another question (among many) that, even with pics, is still up for debate. If you got pulled over by 10 different cops from 10 different CA LE agencies, you'd get probably about 15 different answers.

To be on the safe side, I would say it is not a "locked case."

[Powder_Keg]

Hey OP, for my rifle bags, I run a lock thru the zippers and put them in the back of my SUV. I feel comfortable going to/from the range with them secured like that, but YMMV. So much is left open to interpretation, so if you feel uncomfortable, you can just go the hard sided case route.

For my handguns, if I'm taking more than 2 guns to the range, I put each gun in a soft sided pistol case (Midway USA) and then put them all in a free plastic ammo can I got from Cabelas and then I just lock the ammo can with a padlock. The plastic ammo can also double up as a range bag for your ammo, extra mags, ear/eye pro ... etc

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Dry-Storage-Ammunition-Box/740706.uts

[Librarian]

We have arrived at another question (among many) that, even with pics, is still up for debate. If you got pulled over by 10 different cops from 10 different CA LE agencies, you'd get probably about 15 different answers.

To be on the safe side, I would say it is not a "locked case."

Right; this question, in brief form, is in the things we know and things we do not know sticky in the How CA Laws Affect me forum.

Here's my reasoning:

Transport outside the 'unloaded, locked case' umbrella could be charged as a misdemeanor. That has legal costs, life costs, and possibly as much as a year in prison.

A good lawyer, for example, might charge you $400 for an hour of work on your criminal defense case, and one hour is not the likely total. (Fact based - I would guess 'a couple thousand' as the low end, but I can't really tell.)

A really good, arguably secure case might be a Pelican, at about $111 retail.

Would you spend $111 to avoid a prosecution and the possibility of a year in jail?

See also http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...3&postcount=22

[phantomx48]

Isn't there a requirement that the gun cannot be accessed once in the locked container, and that leaving gaps of a few inches could invalidate that. (As told to me by a LEO) For example, with this case, I could easily get a finger or two in the case and pull the trigger, even when locked.

[sully007]

Isn't there a requirement that the gun cannot be accessed once in the locked container, and that leaving gaps of a few inches could invalidate that. (As told to me by a LEO) For example, with this case, I could easily get a finger or two in the case and pull the trigger, even when locked.

If the firearm is transported unloaded what good would that do?


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