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  • cesarnono13
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 41

    Need HELP! with M16 qualifying!

    Let me begin by apologizing if I am posting this on the wrong sub-forum, but I figured that I might find helpful suggestions here.

    Our situation;

    My wife is currently serving in the armed forces, and she needs to do her yearly range shooting qualification in September. Her biggest issue is that during basic training and her deployment she was partnered with an M4 with an adjustable stock (because they were available).

    During that time, she had no issues qualifying with said weapon both zeroing and shooting targets at distances up to 300 meters. As some of you may know, they shoot in prone position and kneeling, both supported and un-supported.

    Her height and build are the biggest hurdles when it comes to trying to qualify with an M16 as she is 5'1". Now, I wouldn't be here if her unit had an M4 for her to qualify with, but unfortunately they do not (they are a human resource unit).

    SO with all that said, what brand, system, or set-up do you recommend in order to recreate the M16 as close as possible in length, weight and zeroing components?

    FURTHERMORE, what range, if any, are located in the Los Angeles area (willing to travel further) where one can practice zeroing and shooting at targets at up to 300 meters in range in a prone and other positions.

    Also, if anyone here knows of a qualified instructor who can meet us at a particular range, who maybe deals specifically with these types of issues, we would very much appreciate it.

    Thank you all in advance.
  • #2
    ocabj
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2005
    • 7924

    Any off the shelf 20" 1-in-7" twist chrome lined barrel A2 carry handle AR with the standard A2 stock, A2 grip, and LPK will work fine.

    As far as your wife's build and the M16A2/A4, to be honest, this shouldn't be too much of a hurdle to get over in terms of qualifying. I'm shorter than average and I shoot Service Rifle just fine. I know a lot of the junior shooters (females included) that shoot High Power Service Rifle well.

    It's simply a matter of fitting the body around the rifle. In standing, shoot with an inboard cant. In sitting, shoot with an outboard cant. In prone shoot with no cant, but use a grippy glove on the support hand and choke up.

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      Ronin2
      Banned
      • Jan 2011
      • 5563

      ^^^^ This! It can be had at rifle gear in OC for $1029

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      • #5
        Rock6.3
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 2431

        And get her signed up for an Appleseed.
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        • #6
          cesarnono13
          Junior Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 41

          This is what this forum is all about!

          That is fantastic! Thank you so much for the information. We are going to the dealer tomorrow to check it out and get it in her hands to test the fit, if possible. If this works for us, all we will need is a range that can cater to our needs.

          Originally posted by Ronin2
          ^^^^ This! It can be had at rifle gear in OC for $1029

          http://www.riflegear.com/p-3053-fnh-...-20-rifle.aspx

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          • #7
            cesarnono13
            Junior Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 41

            Appleseed

            Thank you for the info, we will definitely sign up for the events/bootcamps in our area!

            Originally posted by Rock6.3
            And get her signed up for an Appleseed.
            Menu Learn marksmanship. Support liberty. Be inspired. Learn More find an event “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Project Appleseed Marksmanship Challenge First three verified natural 250 score (no .30 caliber rule) will win a new Tippmann M4 .22 rifle! Learn More Sponsored by Waco […]


            Free for active duty military and law enforcement.

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            • #8
              Ronin2
              Banned
              • Jan 2011
              • 5563

              Originally posted by cesarnono13
              That is fantastic! Thank you so much for the information. We are going to the dealer tomorrow to check it out and get it in her hands to test the fit, if possible. If this works for us, all we will need is a range that can cater to our needs.
              West End Gun Club....

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              • #9
                Maddog5150
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Feb 2006
                • 10526

                I've had to coach a five foot nothing female from a support company one time when my company was running the range... she fired expert with the M16A4 she had. I wanted to strangle her getting her to that point but she was able to hold it.

                Furthermore, she has nothing to worry about. She will get to keep shooting until she passes.
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                • #10
                  mikenewgun87
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                  • Jul 2011
                  • 7732

                  Sidebar: what branch?

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                  • #11
                    retiredAFcop
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 2108

                    There should be someone at her unit (or in a supporting unit) that can provide extra training to prepare her for qualification.

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                    • #12
                      mlevans66
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 9516

                      Originally posted by mikenewgun87
                      Sidebar: what branch?
                      Army of course
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                      The conservative see's glass as half empty and tries to keep it that way.
                      I'm with the people on the side just pouring water in the glass trying to get a drink!

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                      • #13
                        lgm118icbm
                        CGSSA Leader
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 1202

                        Those are pretty common problems we work with all the time. If she is qualifying with an M16A4, they are much more front heavy than a govt profile A2 so you will need an A2 HBAR or a full rail A4.

                        I don't know anything about the rules for Army qualification but the sling will be her friend. An Appleseed is a great place to start. I have an A2 HBAR she could use for an Appleseed if she wants.
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                        • #14
                          SuperSet
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 9048

                          Sounds like Army qual (i.e. giant waste of time). See Maddog's post about shooting until you pass.

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                          • #15
                            CJJohn
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 1209

                            If you pick up a rifle don't discount the benefits of "dry firing". do it a week before hand. She'll be a better shot. Just don't do it with a rimfire.

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