DA/SA versus Striker Fired.

[meno377]

With a lot of the newer firearms being striker fired, not all but I am just curious how others feel vs the DA/SA hammer actions. I for one like the hammers, one huge reason is that if you have a misfire, you can pull the trigger again in an instant. In a HD, SD I would think that mean a lot.


PS. Yes I realize there are two striker fired ones on the avatar. LOL

[350skylark]

Double strike is good to have but the long double to single actions takes some getting used to. i like to have the consistent trigger pull. And thinking about the second strike at least for the sake of semi autos, if the round is a dud its a dud, and it doesnt matter how many times the primer gets hit. It might still be better practice for tap rack bang

[meno377]

Double strike is good to have but the long double to single actions takes some getting used to. i like to have the consistent trigger pull. And thinking about the second strike at least for the sake of semi autos, if the round is a dud its a dud, and it doesnt matter how many times the primer gets hit. It might still be better practice for tap rack bang

Not very often, but it happend to me more than once that a misfire would fire the second time the trigger was pulled. But you have a good point probably 95% of the time.

[L84CABO]

Hmmm...In a HD situation and the gun doesn't go bang...and it's not empty...I'm going to tap, rack, bang, and cycle in a new round as quickly as possible. I'm not going to waste one second trying to see if I can get the current round to work. But that's me.

[Whatisthis?]

Hmmm...In a HD situation and the gun doesn't go bang...and it's not empty...I'm going to tap, rack, bang, and cycle in a new round as quickly as possible. I'm not going to waste one second trying to see if I can get the current round to work. But that's me.

+1 if it doesn't fire after the first primer strike, that round should be ejected IMO.

[Merc1138]

With a lot of the newer firearms being striker fired, not all but I am just curious how others feel vs the DA/SA hammer actions. I for one like the hammers, one huge reason is that if you have a misfire, you can pull the trigger again in an instant. In a HD, SD I would think that mean a lot.


PS. Yes I realize their are two striker fired ones on the avatar. LOL

What?

Why is this DA/SA vs. striker fired? Just because something is striker fired, doesn't mean it can't have DA/SA operation just like a hammer fired pistol. That's like saying "semi auto vs. revolver" as if there aren't any semi auto revolvers.

[Click Boom]

Wut

[Cool Custard]

What?

Why is this DA/SA vs. striker fired? Just because something is striker fired, doesn't mean it can't have DA/SA operation just like a hammer fired pistol. That's like saying "semi auto vs. revolver" as if there aren't any semi auto revolvers.

Huh?

[Mr.Cip]

What?



Why is this DA/SA vs. striker fired? Just because something is striker fired, doesn't mean it can't have DA/SA operation just like a hammer fired pistol. That's like saying "semi auto vs. revolver" as if there aren't any semi auto revolvers.

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[neouser]

He's probably talking about the Walther P99 AS / Smith & Wesson SW99 / Magnum Research MR9 / Canik TP9 series of pistols. All those are striker fired with DA/SA functionality.

I used to be a big DA/SA fan, but that was before the striker system was proven to be reliable and the only other option was single action, cocked and locked.

[Standard]

I'm ok with both. but prefer DA/SA. Not sure why, but I gravitate to DA/SA and metal guns. My carry gun is a Glock though

[sholling]

I want a consistent trigger pull, either SAO or a good striker fired pistol. What I don't want is a change in trigger pull mid double-tap.

[robcoe]

Huh?

There have been a couple semi-auto revolvers(the Matiba, the Webley-Fosbery and a couple of others).

[mr2ndamendment]

First and foremost I prefer a trigger with a consistent trigger pull. Every time I have to engage the trigger, I want to mentally just know that it reacts the same every time. For those interested, here's the full story:

First came single action, most notably with the revolvers of old, going back before 1873 when cap and ball revolvers were king. Even though most revolvers were capable of holding 6 shots, most operators would only load 5 chambers with powder and ball, placing the hammer resting on the nipple of an empty cylinder to prevent any accidental discharges. When the need arose the shooter pulled the gun out, cocked the hammer (which rotated the cylinder on a live chamber) and by pulling the trigger the hammer would hit the percussion cap and fire off one cylinder. Every additional shot required the hammer to be pulled. Pulling the trigger when the hammer was forward did nothing for you because you'd have to pull the hammer back every time you wanted to shoot.

Then came an improvement on traditional single-action, most notably with John Browning's 1911. A round would be chambered, thereby cocking the hammer rearward, but the manual safety would be engaged, locking the sear and hammer from movement. To prevent accidental discharge in case the safety accidentally got swept off, Browning also incorporated a grip safety, preventing the trigger bow from moving rearward unless the operator had his hand properly gripped on the gun. To sum it up, this now allowed operators to have a live round ready to go without having to cock the hammer back in preparation, but still allow for the operator to carry it all day like that safely. The operator couldn't just pull the gun out of the holster and start firing though, he had to remember to take it off "safe" first. After the operator had fired the first shot, he wouldn't have to manually cock the hammer back because the slide did it for him after every shot.

When semi-autos first became prolific in the "modern era" of LE switching to semis, double-action was king because it was the first real "point and shoot" system. Unless you wanted to carry a 1911, double-action used to be the only real viable way of safely carrying a semi-auto ready to go without incorporating manual or grip safeties like the 1911. You're supposed to chamber a round, then de-cock the hammer and carry it like that all day. When the need arises you pull the gun out and that first trigger pull is longer and harder because you're doing the action of cocking and releasing the hammer -but every shot after that is a shorter, lighter single-action pull. Again, this used to be the only way to practically accomplish the task of having a hot semi-auto ready to go while safe to carry all day -while being able to simply pull the gun from the holster and immediately get to work without having to sweep any safeties. My biggest concern about DA/SA is if you haven't trained enough with that first shot, you may have issues. You may only have time to get one shot off in a life-threatening situation and that first (and possibly only) shot happens to be a double-action trigger pull. If you haven't trained enough, a hard trigger pull like that may throw you off or land your shot somewhere unintended, not only missing the attacker but possibly harming an innocent bystander -good, solid training can overcome this so most LE agencies saw the risk/benefit worth it (risk = hard/nasty first-shot trigger pull, benefit being a gun that was ready to go from the holster with no manual preparations). The first shot is usually the most important shot in many engagements and if it's a DA trigger pull you had better make sure you train often. Some will say "but I can just pull the hammer back and now my first shot is SA!" Really? You may not have the time or presence of mind to tell the bad guy to hold on while you cock the hammer back, get real. Under fire some dudes couldn't even tell you their own name, is that something you really want to bank on?

Then came the single-action striker fire in prolific use. Finally they had come up with a way to keep a round in the chamber all day with a single-action operation and no safeties to complicate things like a 1911. I recommend single-action striker fire for most new shooters and especially those looking for a HD/carry gun. Simple to use, ready at any time, one trigger pull for all scenarios, and completely safe in the holster all day with a round in the chamber. Some people mentally just can't feel safe with a round in the chamber all day in a SA striker fire but if you understand the mechanical concepts and design aspects, you'll know you're more than safe.

We still have successful pistol designs being sold and designed with SA/manual safety operation (like a 1911), DA/SA (like the Beretta M92/PX4 and Sigs) and even DA-only (Ruger LCP, Sig P250, etc.) and I think they'll still be around for quite a while but honestly I see single-action striker fire becoming the new "gold standard" to defensive/offensive semi-auto use for LE/Military into the future. Simple to use, easier to train with, and overall IMO the best choice if you have to effectively train a large department of officers with minimal ammo and range time at your disposal.

[Barang]

I like DA/SA giving me an option to decock it when not in immediate threat and still ready to go bang anytime. My wife and I sold our polymers and went DA/SA all the way.