Need help about legalitys of ffl transfers

[BlooDSMeaR]

I bought a PTR uper and a PSA lower. I had them shipped to Kings gun center in Hanford Ca. I found a FFL locally, that only charges $35 for the first one and $10 extra for any additional up to 5.

I asked Justin if I could have them shipped to that FFL, and the Jerk said he would only ship them back to where they came from at my expense. Now even though the transfer paperwork has not been done the items are still owned by me and are my property. I want to know if they have to legally send it back to the sender, or if the guy is just being a true jerk that I think he is.

[ke6guj]

if you already made an arraingment to transfer them through Kings, why should he ship them to someone else just because you found a better price? Even if he ships them back to the seller, shouldn't he be entitled to recoup his time/expenses?

I am not aware of any law that requires him to ship back to the sender only, but if you pissed him off, I could see him not wanting to do you a favor in this case.

[TRICKSTER]

Did you agree to have them shipped to and DROSd to you by Kings and are now backing out after Kings received them because you found someplace cheaper. If so, chalk it up to lesson learned and next time do your research before you commit. Kings can transfer it to the cheaper FFL, but they also have the right to charge you for that transfer.

[NorCalFocus]

So you called a business asked them to take time out of their day to do you a favor and then expect them to do it for free?

Thats an insult to Kings. I think your the one being a jerk.

Also your only paying the transfer fee on the lower, not the upper.

[RickD427]

So you called a business asked them to take time out of their day to do you a favor and then expect them to do it for free?

Thats an insult to Kings. I think your the one being a jerk.

Also your only paying the transfer fee on the lower, not the upper.

On a PTR, you pay the transfer on the Upper (the part of the receiver bearing the serial number), not the Lower...........

[71MUSTY]

So you called a business asked them to take time out of their day to do you a favor and then expect them to do it for free?

Thats an insult to Kings. I think your the one being a jerk.

Also your only paying the transfer fee on the lower, not the upper.

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[edgerly779]

Cheapskate to lazy to do due diligence and shop for best deal. You deserve a negative Itrader rating .

[NorCalFocus]

On a PTR, you pay the transfer on the Upper (the part of the receiver bearing the serial number), not the Lower...........

Ah, my mistake. I assumed he was talking about an AR style upper.

[mr2ndamendment]

I hate to say it, but if it's what it sounds like, you're the "jerk."

I used to be in charge of all FFL transfers/shipments for a range/gun shop in SoCal when I lived in California (just moved out 2 months ago ). I have experience dealing with this issue and sometimes it would really stretch my patience dealing with customers who would flip flop, change their minds, or find something cheaper and want me to send it back.

Do your homework, figure out what's cheapest/closest to you, and go full force with it -especially if you've already signed the paperwork and paid the fee. Something nobody talks about is the A&D and the CFLC situation. Wherever it's coming from, if it's a new gun not on repair coming into a CA FFL, it has to be accompanied with a CA CFLC letter -a piece of red tape that pisses off out of state FFLs. So the sending FFL had to go through the business of registering their FFL with CA DOJ, then generate the letter, then send it with the gun. The receiving FFL in California then (like all FFLs) has to record when, what, and from whom was received in their A&D (acquisition and disposition log, AKA the "bound book").

Long story short, it's already a pain in the a** both on Federal and state levels, and when a clusterf*** customer wants to change things around because they found something cheaper, it throws a wrench in everyone's business.

DO NOT DO THIS. I feel like I had to speak for all custodians of records, I'll get off the soap box now.

[bigbearbear]

Just do your DROS at the FFL who received your firearms for you, otherwise why would you have shipped it to them in the first place?

[Ogrewagon]

There is definitely a jerk in this equation.

[BlooDSMeaR]

Thanks for your input on me being a jerk BIG difference in price. Not to be called cheap, but when some one offers a service, and find the exact same service for less than half the price to do the same job, wouldn't you go with the less expensive person?
$25 dros fee, $35 dealer fee $10 2nd receiver dealer fee , Ca. sales tax (That shouldn't be paid, because item was bought out of state)
VRS $25 dros, $60 dealer fee, $30 dealer fee 2nd receiver, Ca. sales tax
That is a significant price to me. Then again most of you guys earn 3to10x more than what I make, and I have to save over a year to buy my rifles....

[Mitch]

Thanks for your input on me being a jerk BIG difference in price. Not to be called cheap, but when some one offers a service, and find the exact same service for less than half the price to do the same job, wouldn't you go with the less expensive person?

I can't believe you had the balls to ask the guy. You actually asked him to reship the items at no cost to you?

That's balls.

[CSACANNONEER]

Did you offer to pay King's what you agreed to pay them and then have them ship to a different FFL? He has already done a lot of work just to get the gun(s) to his shop. He sent out a signed copy of his FFL, he received the gun(s), he unpacked them, he verified the SNs and logged them into his bound book. If he ships them out, he has to do MORE WORK than if he transfers them to you. So, if you really want them shipped to another FFL, you should offer to pay King's more than if he just transfers them to you. You approached King's and commissioned them to do a job for you. You need to be a grown up and realize that this is all about you and your word as well as a legal contract you entered into with King's when YOU ASKED them to receive the gun(s) for you. Their fees aren't too bad. In fact, I know shops that charge $200 for a transfer!!!!!. So, man up, quit being a jerk and whining about YOUR lack of proper research.

BTW, please remind me to NEVER buy, sell or trade anything with you. I don't need the headache.

[NorCalFocus]

Thanks for your input on me being a jerk BIG difference in price. Not to be called cheap, but when some one offers a service, and find the exact same service for less than half the price to do the same job, wouldn't you go with the less expensive person?
$25 dros fee, $35 dealer fee $10 2nd receiver dealer fee , Ca. sales tax (That shouldn't be paid, because item was bought out of state)
VRS $25 dros, $60 dealer fee, $30 dealer fee 2nd receiver, Ca. sales tax
That is a significant price to me. Then again most of you guys earn 3to10x more than what I make, and I have to save over a year to buy my rifles....

So say you owned a business to make what you think is 3-4 times less than me. (sole income provider of a household of 4 here so I doubt it) Would you take time out of your day to do paperwork, go to the UPS store, ship the guns at your expense, for an item you didn't even sell and make money on in the first place? All the while your doing that, your not taking care of customers in your store buying your product making you profit.

Now, I agree lots of stores charge way to much for transfer fees. But again, they have an overhead to cover. I too use a FFL that works out of his home. I've saved a lot in transfer fees in the two times I've used him.