Guy blows his own hand off with KSG 12ga when VFG fails

[xrayoneone]

There's video of a knucklehead doing the exact same thing with a Glock 18 and a vertical fore grip. Who knew plastics are soft and flexible?

[Mitch]

also why put a VFG on a shotgun? i guess i am not operator enough, the only advantage i see in having a VFG on the pump is being able to cycle the gun one handed against a wall or something if you other arm is disabled.

A lot of folks were trying to come up with ways to keep your hand from moving beyond the muzzle with the KSG. KSG is often seen with vertical grip for exactly this reason. But some people (like me) hate vertical grips on pump shotguns; I tried that Magpul slanted thingy and it sucked too.

The two solutions that would work best are what I call the Remington and Mossberg approaches (because Remington and Mossberg employ these methods with their factory short-barrel shotguns):

Remington: attach a lip to the front of the forend to keep your hand from slipping forward (frankly, I think Kel-Tec should have included such a lip on the factory forend).

Mossberg: attach a strap to the forend. We produced a prototype of something like this for the KSG, but there wasn't enough interest to go into production:



Personally, I loved the strap thingy. Felt very secure.

[diverwcw]

I just bought a Mossberg 500 cruiser with breach barrel. I wondered why they have the strap on the fore end, now I see why.

Sorry the guy blew his hand off but if he was hot dogging it, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Wildhawk66]

A lot of folks were trying to come up with ways to keep your hand from moving beyond the muzzle with the KSG. KSG is often seen with vertical grip for exactly this reason. But some people (like me) hate vertical grips on pump shotguns; I tried that Magpul slanted thingy and it sucked too.

The two solutions that would work best are what I call the Remington and Mossberg approaches (because Remington and Mossberg employ these methods with their factory short-barrel shotguns):

Remington: attach a lip to the front of the forend to keep your hand from slipping forward (frankly, I think Kel-Tec should have included such a lip on the factory forend).

Mossberg: attach a strap to the forend. We produced a prototype of something like this for the KSG, but there wasn't enough interest to go into production:



Personally, I loved the strap thingy. Felt very secure.

Id buy one of the strap setups. Any chance of a limited run?

[glock_this]

It's going to be a ProMag issue, the VG just happened to be on a KSG.

I opt to use a Magpul AVG - more contact points for hand and on rail. Plus, though it seems like an obligatory move to "hot dog" the KSG at first (or any shotgun mind you - just like rapid firing a pistol or rifle for no other reason but to do it) you have to be careful on this guy given it is so short.

[DoddRod]

Yikes. I'm glad there were no pictures to go with that article. Neat idea on that front strap

[Jimi Jah]

Now he can use a Sig arm brace without any questions.

[DoddRod]

Now he can use a Sig arm brace without any questions.

But does he have any fingers left to pull the trigger?

[lakersandguns]

Who in their right mind would put a vfg on a pump.

[glock_this]

But does he have any fingers left to pull the trigger?

You rack with your weak hand/arm so his strong arm would still be intact and thus, trigger pulling finger.

[glock_this]

Who in their right mind would put a vfg on a pump.

Lots of people - including LEO. And why not?

This just happens to be an issue with the VG, not the shotgun. It just so happens it happened when on a shotgun likely given the racking force.

[compulsivegunbuyer]

It would appear that the rail breaking off with the foregrip in a known problem. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...rail-ruptures/

This would confirm my theory of overpriced piece of ****

[glock_this]

It would appear that the rail breaking off with the foregrip in a known problem. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...rail-ruptures/

This would confirm my theory of overpriced piece of ****

To be fair - that is not what happened here. And yes that was an early on issue you could see over at KTOG now and then. They also went on to redesign and improve the forend.

[hermosabeach]

So... any bets as to how many days of formal instruction the "Guy" had paid to take?


And is the Promag designed to be a grip or a shotgun pump???

How much force in on the VFG grip on a rifle versus using it as a shotgun pump handle???


I guess they will need to update how people use the grip....


from their website-

The AAFG02 Archangel Vertical Fore Grip - Full Size features an O-ring protected internal storage cavity, airtight to depths of 66 feet. This cavity allows for easy access storage of spare parts, batteries and other items. The fore grip is made from high strength, impact-resistant proprietary blended black polymer. Precision molded to meet MIL-STD 1913 rail specifications. Our special polymer formulation provides protection against barrel heat. The polymer is impact resistant thanks to a scientifically formulated compound providing superior strength.
Modern no non-sense grip ergonomics
Precision molded from high strength, heat and impact resistant blended black polymer
O-ring protected internal storage cavity, airtight to depths of 66 feet
Meets MIL-STD 1913 Picatinny rail specifications
Lifetime warranty against manufactures’ defects

[DoddRod]

You rack with your weak hand/arm so his strong arm would still be intact and thus, trigger pulling finger.

Why would you use a Sig arm brace on a shotgun?