Good article on CCW (John Lott, CPRC study, 2014)

[devilcaninex]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/09/murder-drops-as-concealed-carry-permits-rise-claims-study/

Published July 09, 2014

A new study finds that an increase in concealed carry permits has accompanied a decrease in murder. (AP)

A dramatic spike in the number of Americans with permits to carry concealed weapons coincides with an equally stark drop in violent crime, according to a new study, which Second Amendment advocates say makes the case that more guns can mean safer streets.

The study by the Crime Prevention Research Center found that 11.1 million Americans now have permits to carry concealed weapons, up from 4.5 million in 2007. The 146 percent increase has come even as both murder and violent crime rates have dropped by 22 percent.

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[Southwest Chuck]

Murder rate drops as concealed carry permits rise, study claims

Looking Good! This hopefully will bolster the call for a National Reciprocity bill in Congress?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/09/murder-drops-as-concealed-carry-permits-rise-claims-study/

A dramatic spike in the number of Americans with permits to carry concealed weapons coincides with an equally stark drop in violent crime, according to a new study, which Second Amendment advocates say makes the case that more guns can mean safer streets.

[mshill]

This will be discounted due to the source of the study. Fox News and John Lott specifically are not considered (by many) good sources for studies.

I personally believe that facts Lott presents are accurate but to assert causality is premature. The fact that some states with high issuance rates have lower violent crime and murders may be due to many factors including demographics, societal values, etc.

Its kind of like the Volvo cars gaining a reputation for safety back in the 80's. With that reputation, safety conscious people bought Volvo. Since safety conscious people drive safer, the Volvo reputation only grows.

States perceived as having less violent crime attract people looking for a safe place to live and as such become safer places to live. A good example is Utah. And I would bet they coincidentally have a high CCW issuance rate.

[EatsEverything]

Are there any studies correlating gun ownership, CCW permit holders and population density?

[NorCalAthlete]

Article states Peruta is waiting an en banc review by the entire circuit?

[Untamed1972]

This will be discounted due to the source of the study. Fox News and John Lott specifically are not considered (by many) good sources for studies.

I personally believe that facts Lott presents are accurate but to assert causality is premature. The fact that some states with high issuance rates have lower violent crime and murders may be due to many factors including demographics, societal values, etc.

Its kind of like the Volvo cars gaining a reputation for safety back in the 80's. With that reputation, safety conscious people bought Volvo. Since safety conscious people drive safer, the Volvo reputation only grows.

States perceived as having less violent crime attract people looking for a safe place to live and as such become safer places to live. A good example is Utah. And I would bet they coincidentally have a high CCW issuance rate.

Can you say CCW is the cause of the decline? Perhaps not......but what you CAN say is that in increase in legally carried weapons has not made things worse, therefore supposed Gov't concerns over public safety have no basis as they cannot articulate a compelling Gov't interest in regulating or banning something which is not a safety hazard or problem.

[EatsEverything]

As far as I know, en banc review has not been granted yet.

All the documentation on the case still points to waiting for the court's decision on whether or not the Cal AG can intervene and whether or not to grant en banc review.

[mshill]

Can you say CCW is the cause of the decline? Perhaps not......but what you CAN say is that in increase in legally carried weapons has not made things worse,

I absolutely agree on this point. I firmly believe that any form of carry will in the long run reduce violent crime, but generalizing and applying the statistics across such a varying demographic as an entire state is precarious and what our opponents do so very often.

[Mitch]

This will be discounted due to the source of the study. Fox News and John Lott specifically are not considered (by many) good sources for studies.

Certainly not by me. Citing John Lott in a study about gun control is no more credible than citing Michael Moore. Cite Lott at your peril.

On the other hand, Untamed's point is unimpeachable and needs to be hammered home again and again: Expansion of LTC has yet to result in widespread increases in violence. Not once. Will the grabbers ever get tired of fatuously predicting blood in the streets?

[CK_32]

Sounds like a news feed to get page hits.


CCW will decrease with CCW for obvious reasons, but that's only if we put them in the right hands. I know so many guys who have a pending appt and have this BS John Wayne attitude that they are now going to clean up the streets and run to panic to start shooting any troubles in their cities in a blaze of glory like this is a pass to be a bad a**. No bueno

[haodolkwang]

yes,All the documentation on the case still points to waiting for the court's decision on whether or not the Cal AG can intervene and whether or not to grant en banc review.

[-hanko]

States perceived as having less violent crime attract people looking for a safe place to live and as such become safer places to live. A good example is Utah. And I would bet they coincidentally have a high CCW issuance rate.

They do have a high CWL issuance rate, as does Idaho.

A large contribution to both states being safer places to life is the LDS influence...an emphasis upon the moral values that the Founding Fathers emphasized.

-hanko (who's incidentally not LDS)

[Jimi Jah]

Meaningless to the anti's. They don't deal with facts, just emotion.

[Librarian]

Are there any studies correlating gun ownership, CCW permit holders and population density?

No. No good information on gun ownership.

[Noble Cause]

Certainly not by me. Citing John Lott in a study about gun control is no more credible than citing Michael Moore. Cite Lott at your peril.

On the other hand, Untamed's point is unimpeachable and needs to be hammered home again and again: Expansion of LTC has yet to result in widespread increases in violence. Not once. Will the grabbers ever get tired of fatuously predicting blood in the streets?

This truly seems to flummox them.

When confronted with this "inconvenient factoid" they seem bewildered,
especially when they are unable to google up any valid rebuttal.

I don't mind using Lott's research, depending on the situation.
Facts can still be useful, despite Lott's character flaws.

Kopel is still the gold standard, however.


Noble