Very unhappy with Kel-Tec

[FourTenJaeger]

I think most hate on Hi Point because they are hideous looking. I don't really see people talk about them being unreliable.

I see a decent amount of grouping with other ''junk'' guns like Lorcins.

While they may be ugly, They will work at least once, Referring to all ''junk firearms.''

And many GO's are glad to see these ''junk'' guns disappear off the market.. I think that's a shame.

I love my hi-point and it will survive me and anything else thrown at it.

[Jimmybacon43]

I think most hate on Hi Point because they are hideous looking. I don't really see people talk about them being unreliable.

The first time I saw a Hi-Point I thought it looked like it would explode when you shot it. I saw the Iraqveteran8888 hi point torture test videos and thought "huh, I guess it is safe to shoot".

They are definitely not ergonomic. Safe? Yes, Reliable? Mayyyyybe. I've heard that they coat the feed ramps and make no attempt to polish them, and that the magazines are very cheap. I mean, if the gun is a budget gun then the mags are just cheap as hell.

[joefrank64k]

I feel the same way about hi-point haters.

That being said, The UTS-15 is the biggest POS i've ever shot and had the displeasure of using. And I like Rohm RG-10's.

The only thing more disatisfying is a USFA ZIP-22

I bought a Hi-Point .380 and liked it so much, I bought a 9mm version. They're so ugly they're cool.

[JMP]

I think most hate on Hi Point because they are hideous looking. I don't really see people talk about them being unreliable.

To their credit, they have raised the bar for Glock and Ruger to compete on that aspect.

[ja308]

Wasn't it a kel tec pistol that functioned well enough to prolong the life of George Zimmerman ?

With all respect a gun is only a weapon when it's pointed at someone, or being used as a weapon .

[Iknownot]

I've said it before in other threads but I think KT's real issue is they can't decide what type of company they want to be. They are in limbo. They are a small company trying to become a big company. But they haven't ramped up successfully in the areas necessary to become a reputable big company.

They are still operating on small company methods. That won't fly when you are promising items that have generated a large amount of interest.

I still give KT credit. They do come up with innovative ideas. Stuff other people haven't really tried yet or stuff that is outside of the normally accepted contemporary designs.

They just need to get better at ramping up production so they can at least have a steady flow of product hitting the shelves.

And they for sure have to work on their QC.

The SU is a cool little carbine. I personally really like it. I think it's the modern update to the M1 carbine. But it was updated and upgraded over the 3 or 4 years after it came out. Things were revised on it to deal with issues that people had with the first batch (like failures to extract or eject) and chrome lined barrels were added towards the end as well.

There were QC issues with improperly staked piston rods which cracked receivers when they got loose.

A big company can't do things that way. They need to make sure the thing runs correctly from the start. If a problem is discovered, they need to pull the bad parts and make revisions and make sure things going out don't have the incorrect parts.

That's where KT runs into problems. It's running like a small company and things like that take place over a couple of years. Which means you have people popping up on internet forums for a couple of years saying my KT "X" is broken.

The reality is there are plenty of people with KT firearms that work just fine. But KT is constantly tarnishing their name because of their slow revision process and their QC. Until they either fix that or just act like a smaller company and try to put out less numbers every year so they can stay on top QC, I don't think they will have as respected a name as they probably should.

Their products, in general, are really pretty good for the money. IMO, at least, from what I have seen.

[Gutz]

After ordering it, I waited patiently for approximately 1 year for my KSG to arrive. It arrived and I did not have a chance to take it out and shoot it till about 8 months later. I bought serveral types of ammo to try out. All my buddies commented on how cool it looked and also wanted to buy one. I loaded it and chambered a round. I pressed the trigger but nothing happened? I ejected that round and tried another still nothing, just a sound of a ping from the trigger releasing. I tried several other types of ammo but nothing? I took it apart and it appeared the hammer was not releasing to strike the primer. So evidently the gun would not fire. I had several of my buddies that are very experienced in firearms look at it but they could not figure it out either!

I contacted Kel-Tec who instructed me to ship it to them to be evaluated. I included all paperwork requested including the copy of shipping receipt wich was 54.00. I also included a letter adressing how unhappy I was about this situation. They sent me a lemon shotgun that had not ever been test fired! They told me I would be compensated for my shipping costs (which never happened). I was never contacted by them to let me know what the problem was no call or even an explanation letter. I received my KSG about 4 to 6 weeks later with a form attached saying they replaced my lower. I still have not had a chance to take it out and see if it fires!

I own several of their weapons and up to this point have been very happy with this company. All weapons purchased are supposed to be safety checked and test fired before being sold (evidently this one was not). I was sold a KSG that did not fire and wasn't even compensated for my shipping costs.

This will be probably be the last purchase I make from this company if thats how they treat their customers. After my buddies heard about this they also said they woud not purchase anything from this company either!

They designed inovative products but are in to big of a rush to send them out before they are ready!!!!

I also plan on sending a copy of my complaint letter (the one the repair guys removed) and sending it to corporate division to adivse them of this.

Did you not do any homework before you bought it? I haven't seen one good review...

[smle-man]

Let this be a lesson about buying a Kel Tec product.

Make sure to add a Hi Point pistol to your cart before checking out to compliment that Kel Tec.

You get what you pay for.

[jonzer77]

Make sure to add a Hi Point pistol to your cart before checking out to compliment that Kel Tec.



You get what you pay for.

With Kel Tec, you pay to be a beta tester

[FourTenJaeger]

Make sure to add a Hi Point pistol to your cart before checking out to compliment that Kel Tec.

You get what you pay for.

An ugly, but reliable, affordable firearm that you couldn't break if you ran it over with a tank?

With a free lifetime warranty that changes with the owner?

And its easy to maintain?

Sounds like I get a pretty damn good deal.

[saki302]

I think you hit it on the head

You're going to LOVE the RFB. My buddy has a Gen 1, which has run 100% with AE 150gr as well as Fed Match 168gr, and a couple of my handloads thrown in.
The trigger makes my FN pup feel like turd The only con his RFB has is weight, though I doubt it weighs any more than my FAL Para does- just that the weight is distributed differently, and the thing feels SOLID!

I made a custom featureless wrap for him from Kydex, and he runs a big aluminum fake can for >30".

-Dave

I own plenty of Kel-Tec products (with an RFB on the way) and I like them all, particularly the KSG. It's a cool design, is barely longer than my 870 AOW, yet holds 14 rounds.

There's a "Kel-Tec Implicit Bias" that runs through CG. I suspect most have not owned them. Oh well, what else is new in the CG world?

[joefrank64k]

I think you hit it on the head

You're going to LOVE the RFB. My buddy has a Gen 1, which has run 100% with AE 150gr as well as Fed Match 168gr, and a couple of my handloads thrown in.
The trigger makes my FN pup feel like turd The only con his RFB has is weight, though I doubt it weighs any more than my FAL Para does- just that the weight is distributed differently, and the thing feels SOLID!

I made a custom featureless wrap for him from Kydex, and he runs a big aluminum fake can for >30".

-Dave

I'm looking forward to it for sure. I went with the 24" model to make OAL without an extra long MB/FH.

And what's with this notion that Kel-Tec releases stuff "before it's ready"? Doesn't EVERY gun company make changes to their products once they're in the field? I mean, we're up to the 4th generation of Glocks, right? And the 4th gen has already had the extractor updated. Even the 1911 was updated to the A1 after it had been fielded.

[MikeSmith]

I have a good feeling a lot of companies are going to lose their solid reputation on good quality control. The more guns being made the higher risk of a bad one slipping through.

[enegue]

Much of the stuff that comes out of the Kel Tec factory does not look like they have a QA process. And yes I have purchased brand new KT products.

There are people happy with their KT stuff and there are people who aren't. But given the amount of guns they produced, you shouldn't have this many complaints. There's obviously a problem.

[Eddie1965]

I purchased a SU-16 CA before I knew about OLL. The sear wasn't catching so it was shooting 2 rounds with one trigger pull. Pretty cool but I didn't want to go to jail. I took it to the shop I bought it from and they shipped it to KT and they repaired it and sent it back. I'm sure my shop got reimbursed for the shipping. Even though I now have a few ARs, I can't see myself selling it. Most new shooters prefer it over my ARs.