State Fire Marshall working on ammo disclosure?

[greg36f]

Wingman,

Before a bunch of folks get all spun up over this, can you please cite the source of the "Rumor"?


I was at TDS and a guy in Calfire shirt was talking about it. He said Calfire had a letter from southern ca senator asking about it. He felt the senator was looking for a loop hole to stop stock piling! I googled it but no info found. That's why I was asking here. I don't have a lot of ammo but, still would not want my name on a list!!!

Sooooooo, nothing.

I heard that 68 percent of gun owners who belong to the NRA were convicted cat rapists!!!!!!

WTF is wrong with you gun owning nut jobs !!!!

[ratled]

the fire marshall has no jurisdiction inside your home to my knowledge. I'm a FF and all we have ever done is business inspections. We will help pre-fire plan a home for brush fires, but only at the request of the homeowner. Weed abatement could become an issue, but now I'm getting off track...

I don't see any way for the fire marshall to enforce something like that.

IF they deem that X amount is "commercial" or dangerous then yes they do have jurisdiction over your house. And there is precedence, park hazmat truck in you garage or store a little dynamite and see how that goes. I agree that your R1/2 inspections exempt 1 & 2 family dwellings - castle law and all that- but it could be on the books and would be enforced after the fact- after a fire.

ratled

[TWN495]

IF they deem that X amount is "commercial" or dangerous then yes they do have jurisdiction over your house. And there is precedence, park hazmat truck in you garage or store a little dynamite and see how that goes. I agree that your R1/2 inspections exempt 1 & 2 family dwellings - castle law and all that- but it could be on the books and would be enforced after the fact- after a fire.

ratled

You said it there at the end.... they might get you after the fact when your house burns, or they make lawful entry for some other reason and happen upon the pallet of ammo in your closet and then you could be in trouble. But aside from that, they will have no way to get in your house and find anything illegal in the first place.

[keenkeen]

Sooooooo, nothing.

I heard that 68 percent of gun owners who belong to the NRA were convicted cat rapists!!!!!!

WTF is wrong with you gun owning nut jobs !!!!

Hey man...you can't rape the willing.

[vincewarde]

Hypothetically - they would have a hard time limiting how much ammo you could have based on the fire code or on the threat ammo presents in a fire. Let's think about how this would work from a legal standpoint:

1) They would have to present evidence that more than X amount of ammo (like pounds not rounds) presented a significant hazard. This is already the case for powder.

2) They would have to provide the least intrusive solution or solutions to the problem. Likely, this would involve some kind of magazine and a requirement that it not be stored in the home itself - but in the garage. Trust me - if 20 gallons of gas in a car plus 5 in a can are OK, then ammo and smokeless powder in protective containers are fine too. The gas is a lot more dangerous - that's why thicker Sheetrock is required between the house and the garage.

There are much easier ways to make it hard to buy ammo than using the fire code. As has been mentioned, it's only enforced when someone complains.....

[bargasm]

I'm calling FUD on this one. I'm in the fire service, trust me anyone can buy most dept's t shirts online and I wouldn't believe much that came from the mouth of anyone who would wear one off duty or in a gun shop.

[deckhandmike]

I'm calling FUD on this one. I'm in the fire service, trust me anyone can buy most dept's t shirts online and I wouldn't believe much that came from the mouth of anyone who would wear one off duty or in a gun shop.

The sky is not falling. FF's and especially Fire Marshall's are really into the science of how things actually happen. They enjoy testing and training. Any testing and all their training will show this not a concern.

[CSACANNONEER]

Sooooooo, nothing.

I heard that 68 percent of gun owners who belong to the NRA were convicted cat rapists!!!!!!

WTF is wrong with you gun owning nut jobs !!!!

I've never heard a cat say "no".

[SMarquez]

IF they deem that X amount is "commercial" or dangerous then yes they do have jurisdiction over your house. And there is precedence, park hazmat truck in you garage or store a little dynamite and see how that goes. I agree that your R1/2 inspections exempt 1 & 2 family dwellings - castle law and all that- but it could be on the books and would be enforced after the fact- after a fire.

ratled

Your problem is going to be a zoning issue not an ammo issue. Until it becomes a nuisance it won't be a problem. Some one has to rat you out.
It all starts out as a code enforcement issue. FD can come in as technical expert but will not issue cites unless it is a commercial occupancy where the fire code applies or the residence has a violation related to brush abatement in a declaration zone or illegal fireworks are involved.
Had a guy storing lots of cars in his yard, turned out he was basically parting out cars in his yard. The city shut him down, no permit, BL etc. He couldn't get a permit if he wanted to because of res zoning.
Again, after almost 32 years in the biz, there was little to no involvement in this kind of stuff. We would just turn it over to the proper agencies if necessary.

[far from tactical]

Sooooooo, nothing.

I heard that 68 percent of gun owners who belong to the NRA were convicted cat rapists!!!!!!

WTF is wrong with you gun owning nut jobs !!!!

Meow means yes

[ChrisC]

New fire code just came out, so if this has any truth to it, it won't happen for another 2 years.