"When Australians gave back their guns"

[teg33]

Go Japan. They are doing something right over there. I think it's called parenting and personal accountability.

It's not personal responsibility, it's society/ public accountability

[teg33]

Aussies don't have the right to firearms; they are subjects to the Queen. They are not freemen.

This. Aussie are nothing but servants to British Monarch

[k1dude]

It's tough to argue it both ways. Japan also has very strict weapon laws and their rates are incredibly low.

Japan's rates were incredibly low before their ban. It made no difference whatsoever in their crime and murder rates.

[PowMeow]

And for the 4th time....Which is why you can't use these stats to argue that due to a loss of guns rights there is an increase in X crime. Far too many variables involved.

[Jimi Jah]

They are subjects, we are citizens.

Yes, there is a difference.

[Fishslayer]

Aussies don't have the right to firearms; they are subjects to the Queen. They are not freemen.

This. Aussie are nothing but servants to British Monarch

They are subjects, we are citizens.

Yes, there is a difference.

The Aussies haven't been British subject for some time. They DO have a tendency to trust their .gov. Around 1990-ish they actually voted to allow random stops by the popo to look for drunk drivers. For teh chi'druhn, of course.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/we-only-became-independent-of-britain-on-this-day-in-1986/story-e6frg6zo-1226014945554

I WAS told by an Aussie that when the gun roundup of '97 happened PVC pipe was in pretty short supply nationwide.

[teg33]

The Aussies haven't been British subject for some time. They DO have a tendency to trust their .gov. Around 1990-ish they actually voted to allow random stops by the popo to look for drunk drivers. For teh chi'druhn, of course.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/we-only-became-independent-of-britain-on-this-day-in-1986/story-e6frg6zo-1226014945554

I WAS told by an Aussie that when the gun roundup of '97 happened PVC pipe was in pretty short supply nationwide.

Australia head of state is Her Majesty The Queen of England. That's make Aussie servants of British Monarch.

[ICONIC]

With all the things that can kill you in Australia I figure you would want all the guns you could have.
But common sense isn't all that common.

[Discogodfather]

Typical bad logic anti-gun article. Some facts to put it into proportion:

1) Homicide rates are relatively the same before and after the gun ban. They are trending downward as they are in all developed countries. (Source: Australian Government AIC)



2) Even firearm homicide rates are relatively the same. (Source: Australian Government AIC)



3) Australians "gave up their guns". This is a very misleading concept. Gun ownership is at 5% in Australia, and that's down from 8% in 1996. Giving up "one third" of very little = very little. So several thousand guns where bought back by the government, big deal. Australians never had that many guns to begin with.

4) If the us Government where to institute the same policy, that is buying back 1/3 of all guns in the USA, they would have to buy 100 million guns. At the prices the Australians paid to remove a few thousand guns from their "society", the US government would have to spend 50 billion dollars (based on $350 per firearm).

Anyone laughing yet?

[BKinzey]

$350 X 100 million = 50 Billion?

Something looks awful funny with that math.

[Discogodfather]

$350 X 100 million = 50 Billion?

Something looks awful funny with that math.

35 billion, sheesh. You got 35 billion?

[Jason95357]

I haven't poured over the Australian data myself but I've read a couple articles debunking it. Like all data on these types of things, you have to tear into the details to get the full picture.

You can also point to Britain which has obviously done a similar thing. Sure their gun crime went down but their violent crime and burglary skyrocketed.
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Criminals in Australia still have guns. Only the honest folks don't.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/western-sydney-under-fire-as-bikie-turf-war-drives-gun-violence-20120417-1x5pg.html

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/crime-watchdog-warns-bikie-gang-violence-could-be-risk-to-the-public/story-fni0fee2-1226687804903

[k1dude]

$350 X 100 million = 50 Billion?

Something looks awful funny with that math.

You forgot the costs of the bureaucracy created for the buyback and the costs associated with the implementation, labor, and management. Then there's the cost of destroying the weapons. 50 Billion is more like it.

[bangel]

Does anyone know if other developed countries have the same quantity of criminal gang activity that the US does? I've been browsing government stats on the FBI and national gang center websites and a majority of our violent crime can be attributed to gang members.


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[Gottmituns]

Does anyone know if other developed countries have the same quantity of criminal gang activity that the US does? I've been browsing government stats on the FBI and national gang center websites and a majority of our violent crime can be attributed to gang members.


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I don't know of too many developed countries with 350+ million people in them.
But Japan, as populated as it is (half of the US population) has a gang problem (Yakuza) but even they don't use firearms to commit their crimes.
I think last year 4 people were killed with guns.

Check this out and click on the short video: Interesting stuff

http://kotaku.com/legally-owning-a-gun-in-japan-is-really-really-hard-1479865283

A comment from a liberal from the same page:

"Put didn't used to be this strict. Someone I met whomis in their 70s had a shotgun grandfathered in, though the police must have a map of its location. We need these laws here in the US. If you think you need a gun, what you actually need is psychotherapy for yiur paranoia or violent tendencies"