Question: Regarding 2nd proof of residency??

[FCOD]

I facilitated a trade with another Cal Gunner this morning up at Iron Sights in Oceanside. It was a rifle traded for another rifle. They are requiring me to bring back a second form of proof of residency even though my driver's license has my current address on it. Is this right? I bought a hunting rifle not even a month ago at another FFL and they did not require it. I thought it was only required for pistol transactions.

Am I just off and this is required, or are they requesting more information that is required? Store policy? I'd love to know.

[FCOD]

Also curious... they said my pickup is June 6th, but to me that seems like 11 days... not 10. May not seem like a big deal except I'm leaving town on the 6th and would like to pick it up beforehand.

[ke6guj]

I facilitated a trade with another Cal Gunner this morning up at Iron Sights in Oceanside. It was a rifle traded for another rifle. They are requiring me to bring back a second form of proof of residency even though my driver's license has my current address on it. Is this right? I bought a hunting rifle not even a month ago at another FFL and they did not require it. I thought it was only required for pistol transactions.

Am I just off and this is required, or are they requesting more information that is required? Store policy? I'd love to know.

since your DL has your current address on it, that is all that is required by federal and state law. however, I have had FFLs misread the directions on the 4473 and think that they do need to have alternative documentation. if you can't dissuade them of this misinformation, you'll have to buck up and provide that legally unneeded documentation.

Also curious... they said my pickup is June 6th, but to me that seems like 11 days... not 10. May not seem like a big deal except I'm leaving town on the 6th and would like to pick it up beforehand.

yes, that is 11 days, but some FFLs have a policy of requiring 11 days, "for their protection". and in some cases, I've seen FFLs that don't submit the DROS immediately but do them after hours by a manager, so your 240 hours won't start until this evening.

[FCOD]

Thank you for promptly clarifying. Sounds like it's not really worth calling them and questioning their request. I just have a problem with having to provide more information than I have to on an already over-complicated and intrusive purchase process.

[kcstott]

Iron sights is notorious for being paperwork and procedure nazi's

I'll never buy a gun there again nor will i do transfers with them because it's just a never ending punch list of BS they say they need.

I use Discount gun mart in santee. Very easy going people there.

[FCOD]

I've always had great experiences with Iron Sights honestly, but these two things are kind of an annoyance.

[Baeleron]

Turners always asks for 2nd proof of residency too but you can use your vehicle registration which you probably have in your car. Not a big deal. Some places do an 11 day waiting period (Big 5 comes to mind) mainly because they're just paranoid.

[FCOD]

Actually I just bought my other Savage from Turners and they didn't request second form. Oh well.

[robertkjjj]

Iron Sights is a pile of BS when it comes to buying handguns there. They almost always ask for more documentation than the state requires, and you're wasting your time trying to change their minds on this. The guys behind the counter are Soup Nazis on this sh**t.

[lastinline]

No surprises there. Many gun stores do not now the law above the most basic circumstances. As an example, recently I found myself in a Turner's store while visiting family in Los Angeles. It was in Reseda to be exact. I casually asked a salesman if Turner's handles SSE (single shot exemption) transfers, and he replied that there was no such process that he had ever heard of. I politely thanked him and promptly walked out.

[ke6guj]

Turners always asks for 2nd proof of residency too but you can use your vehicle registration which you probably have in your car. Not a big deal. Some places do an 11 day waiting period (Big 5 comes to mind) mainly because they're just paranoid.

I have never had to provide any "second proof of residency" for a long gun purchase at Turners. I've also picked up firearms on day-10, after the 240 hours, at Big-5

No surprises there. Many gun stores do not now the law above the most basic circumstances. As an example, recently I found myself in a Turner's store while visiting family in Los Angeles. It was in Reseda to be exact. I casually asked a salesman if Turner's handles SSE (single shot exemption) transfers, and he replied that there was no such process that he had ever heard of. I politely thanked him and promptly walked out.

I don't expect Turners to do anything cutting edge like SSE. Turners has 15+ stores and has to protect their FFLs at all cost. I didn't bemoan the fact that they were OLL-phobic back during the previous ownership and applaud that the new ownership started carry more of the "scary" stuff. And they do do stuff like SSE there, I see them selling those Masterpiece Arms MACs with the extended barrel.

[V8MERC124]

From my understanding it is not required for long gun's.

For some of us younger folks who don't have anything in their name, what would suffice? Cause the vehicle I I use is under my parents name so I can't show the car registration. I personally have a lease agreement signed by my parents and I. But I wonder if a previous DROS form from a purchase during this year would suffice? It has all your info and current address?....

[twotacocombo]

For some of us younger folks who don't have anything in their name, what would suffice?

Have your name added to the gas or water bill. A utility bill acts as a proof of residency.

[CaliforniaLiberal]

Thank you for promptly clarifying. Sounds like it's not really worth calling them and questioning their request. I just have a problem with having to provide more information than I have to on an already over-complicated and intrusive purchase process.

FFLs follow their own paths. Many of them ask for extra documentation like this or have a policy of 11 Days. There are other quirky things that they make part of store policy.

Bottom line is it's their shop, you follow their rules or go somewhere else.

They are under the cruel scrutiny of State and Federal agencies that often have employees that don't know their jobs. When they come to audit they tell the FFLs all sorts of godawful stuff that is not part of laws and regulations. FFLs gotta say "Yessir" or have their license, business and livelihood threatened or even criminal charges brought. At the very least this means thousands of dollars in lawyer fees.

So they get funny ideas or try to go the extra mile to avoid any possibility of criticism by the ATF or CA DOF Bureau of Firearms. They have already heard from other customers about how they're not properly following the law but feel that they have to do what they're doing anyway.

So cut the FFLs some slack. Go somewhere else if you can find a shop you like better.

[CaliforniaLiberal]

BUREAU OF FIREARMS

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms

Proof of Residency Requirements - Second proof for Handgun Purchase

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/pdf/cfl2013.pdf?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-540387.html

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/26845.html

26845. (a) No handgun may be delivered unless the purchaser,
transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents documentation
indicating that the person is a California resident.
(b) Satisfactory documentation shall include a utility bill from
within the last three months, a residential lease, a property deed,
or military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment
within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the
Department of Justice.
(c) The firearms dealer shall retain a photocopy of the
documentation as proof of compliance with this requirement.

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