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  • GunRunnerz
    Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 216

    Why you should NEVER use cut shells for home defense

    As I'm sure you are all aware the internet is full of myths about "super tacticool" ammo that can
    "stop a guy in his tracks". Recently I ran across some folks that seem to think
    using a cut shell for home defense is a good idea. Before I get into this post let me be clear.
    Using cut shells for defense is a terrible idea!




    What in the world is a cut shell?

    A cut shell is a standard shell of birdshot that has been modified to act like a slug. To make one you take a knife and score the outside
    of the shell all the way around. This incision is done about halfway up from the base of the shell. The idea is that the front end of the shell
    rips off the base when fired. This front end contains all of the shot and prevents
    it from spreading. Once the projectile strikes the target all of the shot is released.

    Where did the idea come from?

    There are a few origin stories for the cut shell, but the most widely accepted explanation is the Great Depression. During this time hunters
    couldn't afford to purchase both slugs and shot, so they found a way to modify their ammunition. This way they saved money, and they
    could easily take any game that they came across.

    Defensive Use?

    I've heard a few people around the interwebz claim that this would be an ideal defensive load. Most of the claims are based on the idea
    that the slug wont over penetrate and hit bystanders because the shot disperses the energy. Prior to this test I was incredibly
    skeptical and I did not recommend this idea.

    Testing Setup

    Like always we are using a block of clear synthetic gelatin from ClearBallistics.com. This is a substitute for ballistic gelatin,
    and it meets all of the FBI requirements for testing. We fired the shell out of the Remington 870 from 15 feet.

    Results

    The cut shell gave us the best looking high speed footage I've seen in a while. Withing 1 inch of penetrating the gel, it had released the shot.
    By the 2 inch mark the front portion of the shell and a piece of
    the wadding had expanded and lodged itself in the block. Each group of shot penetrated in a expanding conical fashion. By the 9 inch
    mark all of the shot had stopped inside of the block. The affected area was roughly 6 inches in diameter.

    The cut shell did not meet the FBI penetration requirement of 12 inches, and therefore would not reliably stop an assailant. The modified shot
    was very effective at transferring its energy into the block. The temporary cavity was roughly 8-9 inches in diameter.

    Other Inherent Problems

    • The shape of the cut shell does not allow stable flight patterns which could raise some problems.
      Out of the twenty shells fired roughly 15 were close to our bullseye.

    • The cut shell also may lead to loading problems if cut incorrectly. A cut too deep will destroy your shell, which would
      not be fun to clean out of a shotgun especially under stress.
    • A shotgun with a choke should not be used to fire cut shells. This can cause over pressure which has the potential
      to damage your shotgun and harm you.
    • The lack of penetration may lead to the round being ineffective.
      Firing twice isn't always an option.
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  • #2
    Rosereader
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2014
    • 805

    I've played with cut shells for fun, but I wouldn't rely on them for anything. Personally I'd rather stick with my buck loads and be able to fire twice without worrying about my shot binding with a bit of hull that didn't clear the barrel.

    Though admittedly the spectacular explosion would probably convince most assailants to leave, assuming my arms and/or face remained intact.
    So I was driving home from the range and I noticed that the scent of warm steel, burnt gunpowder and lukewarm coffee combined and smelled oddly of... Peanut butter?! Man, the Hoppe's is going to my head.


    Originally posted by RR.44
    Rose, you're sick dude
    Originally posted by Jimmybacon43
    I like to call us the "Nighttime association of Law abiding and moral fellows"
    Or NALAMF for short.
    Originally posted by FremontJames
    What do you consider long range?
    Take half of a binocular, tape it to your rifle.

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    • #3
      Tank 57
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2009
      • 4155

      If these worked well and effectively,ammo companies would sell them for a premium price.

      The fact that they offer nothing like it tells me to avoid them.

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      • #4
        Area 52
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2009
        • 533

        It is an interesting concept, but it seems like it would be unreliable. What about opening up a birdshot load, pouring in molten wax, and recrimping? Waxed slugs, anyone?

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        • #5
          Jasonaspears
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 1200

          Originally posted by GunRunnerz
          As I'm sure you are all aware the internet is full of myths about "super tacticool" ammo that can
          "stop a guy in his tracks". Recently I ran across some folks that seem to think
          using a cut shell for home defense is a good idea. Before I get into this post let me be clear.
          Using cut shells for defense is a terrible idea!




          What in the world is a cut shell?

          A cut shell is a standard shell of birdshot that has been modified to act like a slug. To make one you take a knife and score the outside
          of the shell all the way around. This incision is done about halfway up from the base of the shell. The idea is that the front end of the shell
          rips off the base when fired. This front end contains all of the shot and prevents
          it from spreading. Once the projectile strikes the target all of the shot is released.

          Where did the idea come from?

          There are a few origin stories for the cut shell, but the most widely accepted explanation is the Great Depression. During this time hunters
          couldn't afford to purchase both slugs and shot, so they found a way to modify their ammunition. This way they saved money, and they
          could easily take any game that they came across.

          Defensive Use?

          I've heard a few people around the interwebz claim that this would be an ideal defensive load. Most of the claims are based on the idea
          that the slug wont over penetrate and hit bystanders because the shot disperses the energy. Prior to this test I was incredibly
          skeptical and I did not recommend this idea.

          Testing Setup

          Like always we are using a block of clear synthetic gelatin from ClearBallistics.com. This is a substitute for ballistic gelatin,
          and it meets all of the FBI requirements for testing. We fired the shell out of the Remington 870 from 15 feet.

          Results

          The cut shell gave us the best looking high speed footage I've seen in a while. Withing 1 inch of penetrating the gel, it had released the shot.
          By the 2 inch mark the front portion of the shell and a piece of
          the wadding had expanded and lodged itself in the block. Each group of shot penetrated in a expanding conical fashion. By the 9 inch
          mark all of the shot had stopped inside of the block. The affected area was roughly 6 inches in diameter.

          The cut shell did not meet the FBI penetration requirement of 12 inches, and therefore would not reliably stop an assailant. The modified shot
          was very effective at transferring its energy into the block. The temporary cavity was roughly 8-9 inches in diameter.

          Other Inherent Problems

          • The shape of the cut shell does not allow stable flight patterns which could raise some problems.
            Out of the twenty shells fired roughly 15 were close to our bullseye.

          • The cut shell also may lead to loading problems if cut incorrectly. A cut too deep will destroy your shell, which would
            not be fun to clean out of a shotgun especially under stress.
          • A shotgun with a choke should not be used to fire cut shells. This can cause over pressure which has the potential
            to damage your shotgun and harm you.
          • The lack of penetration may lead to the round being ineffective.
            Firing twice isn't always an option.
          I've never heard of this before. Very interesting.

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          • #6
            Sutcliffe
            Calguns Addict
            • Mar 2003
            • 6792

            I got ahold of some police buckshot tailored to that concept

            It was sold to, or given, to the local PD as some kind of way to reduce civilian casualties. It wasn't cut this way, but loaded from the factory. It's fun to play around with, but it's not got nearly the penetration that a slug has, and lacks the spread that makes buckshot so fun.

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            • #7
              John Joseph
              Banned
              • Jan 2014
              • 789

              Hmmm....no plastic shells during the depression nor shot cup/wads like now, and back then keeping your hulls for reloading is one of the reasons for high brass loads as the papers tended to burn out just above the brass head. The notion of a hull compressing in the choke makes me think pressure spikes would be a likely.

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              • #8
                mif_slim
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Apr 2008
                • 10089

                Have you guys ever been hunting? A .75" hole will definitely bleed the creature out. Also, the temp. Cavity wound would shock the creature and who cares about 12", 9" into an intruders body with a massive wound...not a pretty sight.

                With that said, I wouldn't use cut shells for anything but for fun and zombie apocalypse.
                Originally posted by Gottmituns
                It's not protecting the rights of the 1%, it's IMPOSING new laws because of the 1%.

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                • #9
                  cdtx2001
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 6630

                  Cut shells sure are fun to shoot giant pumpkins with right after Halloween.
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                  • #10
                    dskit
                    Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 393

                    But do you know how to use the 3 sea shells?
                    _____________________________________________
                    Originally posted by bubbapug1
                    And so what do you count ?

                    Everyone's an expert on the Internet but I'm thinking you are a poser.

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                    • #11
                      mif_slim
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 10089

                      Originally posted by dskit
                      But do you know how to use the 3 sea shells?


                      THIS?! lol
                      Originally posted by Gottmituns
                      It's not protecting the rights of the 1%, it's IMPOSING new laws because of the 1%.

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                      • #12
                        BKinzey
                        OT Banned
                        CGN Contributor
                        • May 2009
                        • 4390

                        While I don't think cut shells is a good idea either the video does miss a point mif-slim pointed out. You don't always need penetration, massive energy also works. The Ballistic gel block almost leapt completely into the air. That's a lot of transferred energy. You can use a baseball bat and potentially kill someone if you transfer enough energy and yet have 0 penetration.
                        Rogue American, Media Mercenary.
                        "A firearm is just a tool. Any tool can be used as a weapon, but the most powerful weapons were written."

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                        • #13
                          sunborder
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2007
                          • 1212

                          12 gauge doesnt have that kind of energy or the shooter's shoulder would be broken.

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                          • #14
                            stix213
                            AKA: Joe Censored
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 19002

                            I'd never use something like this for HD, but I'm confused why 9 inches of penetration isn't considered good enough... How thick do they think people really are?

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                            • #15
                              mif_slim
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 10089

                              FBI is saying over 12" in case of clothings and such. The extra inch is to defeat some barrier.
                              Originally posted by Gottmituns
                              It's not protecting the rights of the 1%, it's IMPOSING new laws because of the 1%.

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