Purely Hypothetical 458 SOCOM question

[geoint]

If you have an AR chambered in 458 socom, are you allowed to have 'regular' mags for that which could be considered by libtards as high capacity?

Do you think labeling the mags as '458 SOCOM' would help?


Thoughts?

[Jimmybacon43]

I'm assuming the .458 mags are the same as 5.56


I wouldn't play with it. If it could hold more than 10 rounds of any ammunition I wouldn't buy it. It might be legal, idk, it just sounds like you're playing with fire getting standard 30 rd AR mags and loading them with 10 rounds of .458

[The Gleam]

If you have an AR chambered in 458 socom, are you allowed to have 'regular' mags for that which could be considered by libtards as high capacity?

Do you think labeling the mags as '458 SOCOM' would help?


Thoughts?

Ironically, seeing as how the round itself has no benefit from a flash-hider or collapsible stock, and I saw no need for it needing a pistol-grip, I used a Monster-man grip and went featureless on my build in order to use my pre-ban mags without round-count worries. My upper is an early original Tony Rumore/Tromix/Teppo-Jutsu/Marty ter Weeme compilation cooperation.

Considering my range-only novelty application of it versus any likely real-world use of the rifle (not hunting with it or using it as an HD gun, nor that I'm apt to use it in shooting sports) I never found the MM grip for such purposes to be a huge hindrance.

There are retailers selling mags marked as such, for your suspected reasoning. But I think using the Monster-Man Grip on a featureless build is the best way to go on a .458 SOCOM.

[sl0re10]

I'm assuming the .458 mags are the same as 5.56


I wouldn't play with it. If it could hold more than 10 rounds of any ammunition I wouldn't buy it. It might be legal, idk, it just sounds like you're playing with fire getting standard 30 rd AR mags and loading them with 10 rounds of .458

yeah; but it takes more space in the mag for the socom rounds so a 5.56 30 rounder might be 10 as a socom (guessing at the numbers).

Anyway; I think you'd be safer if you didn't own an 5.56 AR that used those same magazines. No constructive possession bs. Labeling couldn't hurt.

[geoint]

Ironically, seeing as how the round itself has no benefit from a flash-hider or collapsible stock, and I saw no need for it needing a pistol-grip, I used a Monster-man grip and went featureless on my build in order to use my pre-ban mags without round-count worries. My upper is an early original Tony Rumore/Tromix/Teppo-Jutsu/Marty ter Weeme compilation cooperation.

Considering my range-only novelty application of it versus any likely real-world use of the rifle (not hunting with it or using it as an HD gun, nor that I'm apt to use it in shooting sports) I never found the MM grip for such purposes to be a huge hindrance.

There are retailers selling mags marked as such, for your suspected reasoning. But I think using the Monster-Man Grip on a featureless build is the best way to go on a .458 SOCOM.

I always forget the featureless can use pre-ban mags. Sweet.

[The Gleam]

yeah; but it takes more space in the mag for the socom rounds so a 5.56 30 rounder might be 10 as a socom (guessing at the numbers).

Anyway; I think you'd be safer if you didn't own an 5.56 AR that used those same magazines. No constructive possession bs. Labeling couldn't hurt.

There is no "constructive possession" here, at all. I own hundreds of pre-ban mags for plenty of OLL/OLR bullet-buttoned guns that could in theory illegally load them, along with and plenty of featureless rifles that do.

I would not give it a care in the world. The idea of avoiding having legally owned high-capacity mags that could present an issue for also owning rifles limited to 10-round mags, as being "safer", is no different than not putting your thumb in a vise and then closing it shut, or not stepping in front of a speeding train; it's quite easy to prevent.

[sl0re10]

There is no "constructive possession" here, at all. I own hundreds of pre-ban mags for plenty of OLL/OLR bullet-buttoned guns that could in theory illegally load them, along with and plenty of featureless rifles that do.

Its nice you think that.....

I still wouldn't do it unless some of the active lawyers, in the field, told me I was wrong.

[The Gleam]

Its nice you think that.....

I still wouldn't do it unless some of the active lawyers, in the field, told me I was wrong.

Ridiculous....

You are scaring yourself into unnecessary obsoletion in the exact way the Anti-2nd Amendment types want you to be scared. By the way, the boogey-man doesn't exist either.

There is not a shred of "constructive possession" in what you described above. Nada. Nothing, either under Federal or California laws. Never has been and never applied in the way you are describing.

[Librarian]

If you have an AR chambered in 458 socom, are you allowed to have 'regular' mags for that which could be considered by libtards as high capacity?

Do you think labeling the mags as '458 SOCOM' would help?


Thoughts?

I'm assuming the .458 mags are the same as 5.56


I wouldn't play with it. If it could hold more than 10 rounds of any ammunition I wouldn't buy it. It might be legal, idk, it just sounds like you're playing with fire getting standard 30 rd AR mags and loading them with 10 rounds of .458

This is one of the 'eh, we're not so sure' questions/answers.

The problem is that the law was written by firearms-illiterates (or, was deliberately obfuscated to make these things confusing; I think that is true for AB 48 and the 'kit' language), who never anticipated that a single magazine might hold 30 rounds of 5.56 AND on another occasion might hold 10 rounds of .458.

So, is it a 30-round large-capacity magazine, or a 10-round magazine?

There are no standards to test against.

[sl0re10]

Ridiculous....

You are scaring yourself into unnecessary obsoletion in the exact way the Anti-2nd Amendment types want you to be scared. By the way, the boogey-man doesn't exist either.

There is not a shred of "constructive possession" in what you described above. Nada. Nothing, either under Federal or California laws. Never has been and never applied in the way you are describing.

See Librarian's post.

I do scare myself into not doing things since I don't want to spend thousands on legal fees if the wrong leo checks out my stuff; yes (not to mention; having thousands in rifles taken from me). But minor things. So I don't refinish my imported C&R with cerakote since that might kick in 922r.... I still have the gun... they already lost there. I also wouldn't go out shooting with a BBed 5.56 AR, a socom, and 30 round ar mags. Just the socom and the mags; yes I would...

No cases; no surprise. Its still a pretty new issue (different number of rounds in the same mag).... older stuff like 5.45 and 5.56 mag interchanges fit the same number of rounds in mags... so a non issue.

[Quiet]

Having the magazine marked/engraved, helps explain to LEOs that it's a 10 round magazine and not a large capacity magazine.

[shotcaller6]

30 round GI Magazine's marked as 458SOCOM with caliber specific follower's will greatly increase your odds of drama free survival in an encounter with the dark side.

[mikenewgun87]

Getting it in a transulscent mag marked 458 sococm would definitly help...

[cdtx2001]

As long as it doesn't hold 11 rounds of .458 SOCOM, I don't see a problem.

Engraving a mag, as nice as it is, is also a bit pricey. Sharpies do the job well too.

[Mitch]

Having the magazine marked/engraved, helps explain to LEOs that it's a 10 round magazine and not a large capacity magazine.

But there is no getting around the fact that is still a 30 round magazine for 5.56mm, and the law explicitly prohibits anything greater than ten rounds.

Personally, I don't see the ambiguity. You can label that thing a hot fudge sundae if you want, but it's still a 30 round magazine.