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  • ChessRatz
    Member
    • May 2007
    • 165

    $45 PPT

    So I remember reading about the Elk Grove Gun Room and the additional $1 charge for PPT's.

    I can now do that about $9 better. At least that is what Ammo Bros was trying to charge for PPT's at the Costa Mesa show today. I first talked to the nice lady doing the FFL paperwork and when she told me $45 I thought she was mistaken. She directed me to another guy who only confirmed that they charge $45 for a PPT I wasn't about to argue with them as I have better things to do with my time, especially since they probably already know they are just gouging us So Cal peeps (not to mention breaking the law... ).

    I have heard about Ammo Bros (both good and bad) right here on CG. This only confirmed that I don't need to visit their store anytime I'm in their vicinity. So what gives? Why can they do this?

    BTW, Gunrunners in Duarte got my PPT and you can bet I will "browse" when I get to pick up my purchase.
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    Moonclip
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2004
    • 4390

    Hmmm...must be a gun show policy they made up if this is so. I have done 3-4 $35 PPTs at trhe store in the past year including 2 in the past 10 days.

    IIRC they told me at a show in March or so of 2007 they didn't even do PPT at the show at that time, don't remember why that was. I ended up doing it at Gunrunners that time.

    I hope they don't start trying to charge more than $35 at the shop itself, I won't be back or purchase anything from them or reccomend them anymore if that becomes the case.
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    • #3
      Gator Monroe
      Banned
      • Oct 2007
      • 6422

      Olde West Gun and loan (Redding Ca.) is $35.00 ...

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      • #4
        hawk1
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        • Dec 2005
        • 7555

        Originally posted by Gator Monroe
        Olde West Gun and loan (Redding Ca.) is $35.00 ...
        Yeah, but the cost to do the drive twice will kill you...
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        • #5
          BamBam-31
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          • Dec 2005
          • 5318

          I sense a disturbance in The Force....
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          • #6
            5150Marcelo
            Calguns Addict
            • Mar 2008
            • 7681

            I did a PPT at Ammo Bros today! $35 total for me. Only prob I sometimes find (PPT pistols) is they try to find any little thing to make you buy a gun lock (if pistol doesnt already come with one), even if you have one already with a recent receipt. My last pistol PPT, they didnt accept my 'new in the wrapper CA DOJ approved gun lock' because they said that the receipt HAS to say "CA DOJ APPROVED GUN LOCK" on it, so they made me buy one of theirs

            You know what, lesson learned. Now, when I do a PPT on a pistol, before we start paperwork, I bring my own lock, stick it in with the pistol, then start the PPT DROS. This way, there will already be a lock with the gun when you pick it up. NO hassles.

            This was a lesson learned.
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            • #7
              bohoki
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2006
              • 20826

              i think they can charge what they want at a gunshow since that is not their normal place of buisness they have to transport your gun to their store i guess that has value
              otherwise just have the 2 partys go to the store during buisness hours

              if it is a dealer to private party they can do what they want too

              of course if i was a dealer i would charge as little as i could to get more customers to the shop for the opportunity to buy other accessories

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              • #8
                tenpercentfirearms
                Vendor/Retailer
                • Apr 2005
                • 13009

                A PPT at a gun show is the same as a PPT at the shop. I think it is capped at $35.

                If you want to make money, don't offer to do some PPTs at a gun show.
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                • #9
                  goathead
                  Veteran Member
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 3601

                  turners was 36.99 with tax. i dont like turners

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                  • #10
                    blackberg
                    Veteran Member
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 3061

                    Originally posted by 5150Marcelo
                    I did a PPT at Ammo Bros today! $35 total for me. Only prob I sometimes find (PPT pistols) is they try to find any little thing to make you buy a gun lock (if pistol doesnt already come with one), even if you have one already with a recent receipt. My last pistol PPT, they didnt accept my 'new in the wrapper CA DOJ approved gun lock' because they said that the receipt HAS to say "CA DOJ APPROVED GUN LOCK" on it, so they made me buy one of theirs

                    You know what, lesson learned. Now, when I do a PPT on a pistol, before we start paperwork, I bring my own lock, stick it in with the pistol, then start the PPT DROS. This way, there will already be a lock with the gun when you pick it up. NO hassles.

                    This was a lesson learned.
                    Dude they MADE me buy gun lock when the gun I had sent there came with a brand new one, at least they didnt overcharge me for it or gave me "free" one from the PD like metroshot gave me

                    I now drive the extra 20 minutes to Enterprise.

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                    • #11
                      ChessRatz
                      Member
                      • May 2007
                      • 165

                      Originally posted by BamBam-31
                      I sense a disturbance in The Force....
                      You and your crew just hanging out next to Gunrunners . Witnesses are bad in certain situations There is no problem with the force.... everything is as it should be

                      Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
                      If you want to make money, don't offer to do some PPTs at a gun show.
                      J&J told me they only do PPT's at their shop, their choice and I respect that. But charging more than allowed is plain ripping people off. Most probably don't realize it and just pay it.

                      As far as making money off of PPT's, well it just comes with the territory IMHO. There are certain things I don't like to do in my business as well but to keep my clients happy, I do them with a smile on my face.

                      The way I see it is that they are shooting themselves in the foot over $10 (as well as breaking the law). Not to mention the whole "gun lock scheme" they seem to have working. 5150's experience makes me ill. Why would they do that to their customers? I just dont get it

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                      • #12
                        tenpercentfirearms
                        Vendor/Retailer
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 13009

                        Again, I don't do the gun show circuit. If I did, I wouldn't say I do PPTs at the gun show. I would say come on into the shop. When you come into my shop, I do not make a big deal of PPTs. Come on in and PPT anything that is CA legal at any time of the day. $35 is it. All day everyday.

                        At a gun show? Screw that.
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                        • #13
                          geeknow
                          Lifetime Contributor #1
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 3144

                          Originally posted by ChessRatz
                          So I remember reading about the Elk Grove Gun Room and the additional $1 charge for PPT's.

                          I can now do that about $9 better. At least that is what Ammo Bros was trying to charge for PPT's at the Costa Mesa show today. I first talked to the nice lady doing the FFL paperwork and when she told me $45 I thought she was mistaken. She directed me to another guy who only confirmed that they charge $45 for a PPT I wasn't about to argue with them as I have better things to do with my time, especially since they probably already know they are just gouging us So Cal peeps (not to mention breaking the law... ).

                          I have heard about Ammo Bros (both good and bad) right here on CG. This only confirmed that I don't need to visit their store anytime I'm in their vicinity. So what gives? Why can they do this?

                          BTW, Gunrunners in Duarte got my PPT and you can bet I will "browse" when I get to pick up my purchase.
                          Chessratz, you can take your business wherever you like. That is certainly your choice. However, in this case, you got a little off base IMHO. Ammo Bros DOES charge 45 for a PPT at the show. We charge 35 at the store. Want to save 10 bucks? Make the drive. Heck, I bet you paid 7 bucks for a beer at the show. Dont hear a complaint about that! The extra charge is to defray 1. the cost of being a vendor at the show (including 100$ just for electricity to process your PPT) and 2. for the extra liability incurred for taking the gun from the show to the store. Something that is worth pointing out is that, of the PPT's done at the show, many were charged with credit card. We do not charge for this, even though we pay a percentage for that as well. While we are sorry to lose your business, I think it only fair to point out what it costs us to do business at these shows. We get nickle and dimed for every little thing from the promoter and ancillary services (CC transactions and the like). So please, next time save the 10bucks and come to the store.

                          For all of you reading that may attend. If you feel that a charge is improper, talk to us about it. If, after doing so, you still feel the same way, then post away. But to blast any vendor about service without giving them the opportunity to show you how it came to be is simply not just.

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                          • #14
                            aplinker
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 16762

                            Originally posted by geeknow
                            Chessratz, you can take your business wherever you like. That is certainly your choice. However, in this case, you got a little off base IMHO. Ammo Bros DOES charge 45 for a PPT at the show. We charge 35 at the store. Want to save 10 bucks? Make the drive. Heck, I bet you paid 7 bucks for a beer at the show. Dont hear a complaint about that! The extra charge is to defray 1. the cost of being a vendor at the show (including 100$ just for electricity to process your PPT) and 2. for the extra liability incurred for taking the gun from the show to the store. Something that is worth pointing out is that, of the PPT's done at the show, many were charged with credit card. We do not charge for this, even though we pay a percentage for that as well. While we are sorry to lose your business, I think it only fair to point out what it costs us to do business at these shows. We get nickle and dimed for every little thing from the promoter and ancillary services (CC transactions and the like). So please, next time save the 10bucks and come to the store.

                            For all of you reading that may attend. If you feel that a charge is improper, talk to us about it. If, after doing so, you still feel the same way, then post away. But to blast any vendor about service without giving them the opportunity to show you how it came to be is simply not just.
                            IMHO, I think it makes sense. However, I do not understand how you can legally do it. Care to explain?

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                            • #15
                              BamBam-31
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                              • Dec 2005
                              • 5318

                              Originally posted by geeknow
                              Chessratz, you can take your business wherever you like. That is certainly your choice. However, in this case, you got a little off base IMHO. Ammo Bros DOES charge 45 for a PPT at the show. We charge 35 at the store. Want to save 10 bucks? Make the drive. Heck, I bet you paid 7 bucks for a beer at the show. Dont hear a complaint about that! The extra charge is to defray 1. the cost of being a vendor at the show (including 100$ just for electricity to process your PPT) and 2. for the extra liability incurred for taking the gun from the show to the store. Something that is worth pointing out is that, of the PPT's done at the show, many were charged with credit card. We do not charge for this, even though we pay a percentage for that as well. While we are sorry to lose your business, I think it only fair to point out what it costs us to do business at these shows. We get nickle and dimed for every little thing from the promoter and ancillary services (CC transactions and the like). So please, next time save the 10bucks and come to the store.

                              For all of you reading that may attend. If you feel that a charge is improper, talk to us about it. If, after doing so, you still feel the same way, then post away. But to blast any vendor about service without giving them the opportunity to show you how it came to be is simply not just.
                              As mentioned, Gunrunners charged $35 for the PPT. Don't they have to pay exactly what you do to attend the shows? I think Gunrunners sees the benefits of not "defraying the costs" of PPT's at shows. They've gained a customer, you've lost one. In the end, you're nickel and diming yourself.
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