I am DONE with ADE's !!!

[lavgrunt]

.....I don't say this happily. Ade is a great guy and is very well known to all of us in the OC/SoCal area. I had a very bad experience with him recently. I asked him to send a copy of his FFL and handle the transfer for me on a handgun from out-of-state. It has been two weeks, several emails and phone calls and the seller still has not received anything !!! His right hand man, Andrew is a super guy to deal with and has assured me that he is making sure it gets done, personally. This has happened before, but it was no big deal and promptly rectified.

I have been dealing with Ade for several years and have done lots of transfers with him. Like I said, he is a very nice man and when you catch him on a good day, he gets things done. I no longer have the time nor the understanding to constanatly follow-up to make sure that he follows through.......It's strictly a business decision on my part. Simply being a nice guy will not keep you in business for very long......

I get the feeling that he is simply overwhelmed, understaffed and just not able to efficiently handle all the business that comes his way. I wish him all the best and my hope is that he is encouraged to turn things around and get back on track.......I will be the first to bring back my business to him......with glee !!!

[sorensen440]

I believe there was another thread on here that mentioned they were getting an audit
could they just be overwhelmed dealing with that?

[Matt C]

They/Ade are VERY busy right now, and yes sometimes Ade does, umm, forget stuff. But it's still an awesome shop, better than most. Ade is moving houses right now also, if you have ever done that you know how stressful and time consuming it can be. Add to that the ATF crawling up his butt, and I think he deserves a bit of a break.

[Crusader]

I agree with Blackwater. Every time I'm in Ade's shop, I get the feeling that he is about to just collapse from exhaustion. I have never once seen him sit down, or take a break, or eat or drink, or anything like that. I get the feeling that he's on the move 24/7.

I have also tried to have Ade send his FFL to another dealer, and had the same result, where after a few weeks, it didn't get done.

However, every time I'm actually in his shop, he is courteous, patient, and a good salesman. Same thing goes for Andrew. They both answer any question I have and will often times spend 20-30 minutes just chatting about anything at all.

I can certainly understand where you are coming from lavgrunt, but I also know what it's like to be moving and working all day long, so I just use another dealer for any transfers I have, and go to Ade's to hang out, shop, and have questions answered.

[GJJ]

Ade is overwhelmed.

His shop used to be awesome a couple years ago. Now, not so much. He hired a couple people with real attitude problems. It can take forever to get help there now and he has forgot to do a couple things for me as well.

When you think about it, the gun business has to be a tough thing to be successful at. Margins on guns are small. The paperwork is horrible. He risks going to jail if he screws up. The customers can be kind of weird and fickle. The typical help he can expect to hire is your worst nightmare.

I wouldn't wish a gun store on my worst enemy!!!! Yes, Ade's has gone downhill. But, he is still a good person and has helped gunowners tremendously in So. California. He will still get my business and my patience with his situation. I have cut him some slack.

[donger]

Why are you trying to smear his name and destroy his livelihood because you were unsatisfied with his service?

Take your business elsewhere. Geez.

BTW I've only been to his shop once, simply because it's too far from home.

[hawk1]

Why are you trying to smear his name and destroy his livelihood because you were unsatisfied with his service?

Take your business elsewhere. Geez.

BTW I've only been to his shop once, simply because it's too far from home.

I agree with you donger, I don't see the point of his post except to hate and hurt Ade. Just move along.
I've done a few transfers there and have had no problems...

[The SoCal Gunner]

Why are you trying to smear his name and destroy his livelihood because you were unsatisfied with his service?

Take your business elsewhere. Geez.

BTW I've only been to his shop once, simply because it's too far from home.

I don't see a problem with him posting about his personal experience and feelings about any business. It's his right to post his dealings with Ade's on this forum. We always see posts praising and bashing shops and Ade's is no different. I didn't see anything offensive and the OP stated that this has happened before.

You've never talked smack about a business for their policies or lack of service? If you have then you are doing the exact same thing.

You could even say that praising one business is hurting another business. Move along right? If you get good service just keep it to yourself and keep shopping there, no need to share your experience with others.

[apbrian112]

I don't see a problem with him posting about his personal experience and feelings about any business. It's his right to post his dealings with Ade's on this forum. We always see posts praising and bashing shops and Ade's is no different. I didn't see anything offensive and the OP stated that this has happened before.

You've never talked smack about a business for their policies or lack of service? If you have then you are doing the exact same thing.

You could even say that praising one business is hurting another business. Move along right? If you get good service just keep it to yourself and keep shopping there, no need to share your experience with others.

+1... opinions swing both ways...

[aplinker]

Why are you trying to smear his name and destroy his livelihood because you were unsatisfied with his service?

Take your business elsewhere. Geez.

BTW I've only been to his shop once, simply because it's too far from home.

I didn't see a single line in there that was a smear. He stated a fact (how long it's taken) and then said he's frustrated. He then defended the shop, but said he can't take it anymore.

[HowardW56]

Why are you trying to smear his name and destroy his livelihood because you were unsatisfied with his service?

Take your business elsewhere. Geez.

BTW I've only been to his shop once, simply because it's too far from home.

Ade is a nice guy.... Just not a good business man...

He does have some very nice consignment inventory from time to time and is generally easy to deal with... Just scatter brained...

[Rob454]

We all make decisions based on fact and how we were treated. I recently used ADE's for a gun transfer and the experience was good IMO. Quick service, no BS and good all around attitude. I would go back there again.
As a ex business owner in California I can tell you that owning your own business is a stressful, PITA, thankless job and all you hear is customers whinning. The taxes that have to be paid state fed and employee benefits can literally drive you i9nsane. Not to mention you have to project your profits and pay taxes BEFORE you actually make the $$.
Give the guy a little slack. I personally will use him to do thransfers and also when I save up enough $$ to buy a AR ill most likely buy from him. Simply because he is a good guy

[packnrat]

does this mean we never get to hear about this "store" any more...if so then this is a good thing.






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[bobfried]

Ade's does have a record for not being too prompt about sending out his FFL, I've been shopping there for a decent while now and that has always been the case. It's the one area where he is bad in, I accept that fact and deal with it accordingly.

He's perfect in every other aspect though so I choose to accept the one minor flaw and be happy to go to an FFL with so many other good aspects.

I will also agree that he is not the greatest businessman when it comes to his shop, but that's why I go to him. You can tell the man does this because he loves it, not because he particularly want to make huge amount of dough. Ade's is ALWAYS packed full of customers from opening to closing, he could easily outdo Fowler's across the street if he wanted to. I don't know how much business Fowler's does but it sure is a heck lot less than what Ade does. I have talked to him a bit about the subject and he just does not want to work more or expand beyond what he has now. Take it as bad business sense, or take it as a true enthusiast doing what he loves and nothing more.

[Soldier415]

I normally dont stick my nose in these threads...but.

I had a customer who was purchasing a consignment gun from us to have shipped to Ade's.

They faxed the FFL to us but our fax was on the fritz and we did not get it. I called in the morning and spoke to Ade and let him know I needed a copy of the FFL so we could ship the gun. I had the copy in my hand before the end of the day and we were able to ship.

I know from personal experience that especially in the gun business things get hectic, but proper communication is always important.