Definition of "secure container"

[ocbruin]

For purposes of transporting a weapon in a motor vehicle, the penal code states:

"locked container" means a secure
container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock,
combination lock, or similar locking device

What is a secure container in this reading? What makes a container secure or not? It does not seem to me that "secure" is defined by complete enclosure or locking, as these are delineated separately in the definition. Does secure assume some level of resistance of penetration or resistance to opening?

I did a search, but did not find anything that addressed this topic specifically.

[Saigon1965]

Just about anything that you can slap a lock on -

[smle-man]

even a pistol rug or case counts as long as you can lock it.

[1911su16b870]

1. fully enclosed
2. lock-able...(by padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device.)

e.g. Gun-rugs which have a zipper with a hole in the fob and when zipped shut match another item with a hole, are secure when you put the hasp of a padlock through both holes and lock it.

[hawk1]

A papersack with a lock on it is not secure. You get the idea...

Look for case law to see if you can get an idea. Ultimately, if you're busted for it, the jurors will decide what is "secure".

[Neil McCauley]

I believe it should be doj approved.

[sorensen440]

I believe it should be doj approved.

are they approving secure transport containers now ?
Please provide a link

[Neil McCauley]

are they approving secure transport containers now ?
Please provide a link

I know for a fact that the plastic travel containers issued with the pistols are doj approved.

[Librarian]

DOJ approves secure STORAGE containers. Those which may be conveniently portable might also be used as TRANSPORT containers, but the law, as posted up-thread, is all there is.

In my opinion, backed by nothing at all, if one must either cut the lock or use a knife or a saw to cut the container to gain entry - thus eliminating plastic garbage bags - the container probably meets requirements.

[tombinghamthegreat]

A backpack with a lock is enough to count as a secure container.

[Mikeb]

I still like a breifcase
Mike

[Gunsrruss]

Truck shell

If you lock your weapons up in the back of your truck. That should count also. It is after all a locked container

[sorensen440]

If you lock your weapons up in the back of your truck. That should count also. It is after all a locked container

as long as the back of your truck has a locking tonneau cover, camper shell or toolbox

[Saigon1965]

There was a thread where Kestryll asked if one of those fake agenda case is legal. Sure is, with a padlock - voila, you can carry it with you.

[Ironchef]

I'm not sure what the debate is. It's answered in the quoted segment of the OP:
"locked container" means a secure
container

So something locked..regardless of the material. And as another said, if you can circumvent the locked part (by pulling the paper bag apart, or easily tearing the material enclosing the firearm, etc), then it's not locked by that definition?

I thought there was further wording in other sections, case law, or maybe in a CHP guide explaining transportation laws saying the words "readily available" meaning the secure container could not render the firearm readily available.

Anyone else see/hear this on CG? Or am I FUDing up this thread...