Definition of "secure container"

[CSACANNONEER]

A paper bag with a pull string that is padlocked would be legal according to the letter of the law.

[Librarian]

And as another said, if you can circumvent the locked part (by pulling the paper bag apart, or easily tearing the material enclosing the firearm, etc), then it's not locked by that definition?

Not secure, I'd say. JMO.

I thought there was further wording in other sections, case law, or maybe in a CHP guide explaining transportation laws saying the words "readily available" meaning the secure container could not render the firearm readily available.

I don't believe so. Florida seems to have something close to that, and our Fine Law Enforcement Officers seem sometimes to be trained that way, but that's not anything in California law, so far as I have seen.

[hawk1]

A paper bag with a pull string that is padlocked would be legal according to the letter of the law.

Really? What part of your description would meet the definition of "secure"?

[liketoshoot]

A paper bag with a pull string that is padlocked would be legal according to the letter of the law.

I left my FFL with a PPT almost this way, but it was not locked it had "tactical string" tie on it. He knew I was going home and would store it in the safe.

[ocbruin]

I left my FFL with a PPT almost this way, but it was not locked it had "tactical string" tie on it. He knew I was going home and would store it in the safe.

I'm pretty sure that this would only be OK if you placed the weapon in bag in your trunk for transport.

The issue I'm questioning is the use of the word "secure". Why put it in the definition of "locked container" if it only referred to being fully enclosed and locked. "Secure" must add to the standard in some way.

I agree that it must refer to some degree of resistance to opening, if there is a good list of examples of what is considered appropriate, I assume that would help. I'm not sure how to go about searching for case law on the matter, as one poster suggested, which was why I openned the topic here.

For that matter, does any lock count towards the "locking" standard? Or has anyone run across examples of locks that have been deemed insufficient?

[aplinker]

I'm pretty sure that this would only be OK if you placed the weapon in bag in your trunk for transport.

The issue I'm questioning is the use of the word "secure". Why put it in the definition of "locked container" if it only referred to being fully enclosed and locked. "Secure" must add to the standard in some way.

I agree that it must refer to some degree of resistance to opening, if there is a good list of examples of what is considered appropriate, I assume that would help. I'm not sure how to go about searching for case law on the matter, as one poster suggested, which was why I openned the topic here.

For that matter, does any lock count towards the "locking" standard? Or has anyone run across examples of locks that have been deemed insufficient?

Since he was leaving his FFL (one of the specifically outlined exceptions to 12050) he could have stuck it down his skivvies on the drive home.

[Jeff P]

A wild guess here, but I would think "secure" would point to a trigger or frame lock and maybe even add a lockable box fastened in the trunk of a vehicle. While a car has a locking trunk. Some vehicles have that little lever that will open that trunk with out a key. Perhaps one reason to disable that unlocking feature.
Or, if you have a safe that is not DOJ approved. The trigger lock meets the secure requirement.
Just my 2 cents worth.

[tombinghamthegreat]

For purposes of transporting a weapon in a motor vehicle, the penal code states:

Also look into the laws for transportation when driving(yes guns/ammo can be in the same container/trunk, not sure about state capital),school gun free zone, unloaded open carry and if you have any other question ask. There is alot of FUD being spread out there.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=103660&highlight=transportation+firearms

A wild guess here, but I would think "secure" would point to a trigger or frame lock and maybe even add a lockable box fastened in the trunk of a vehicle.

The container must fully enclose the firearm which a trigger lock(at least the type i am thinking of) does not work. A trunk, lockbox or any other containers should work. If the firearm/ammo is in a secure container then trigger locking is a waste of time and not needed .