Some Wont Carry past 6 months

[Bainter1212]

Very-very interesting thread... OP is very well researched and very provocative... moreover, it is EXACTLY TRUE...!

Op... it is a strange, very-very strange phenomena this LTC and a mega-load of lame excuses why these guys don't carry, and never re-new...!!! I never would'a believe it myself if I didn't hear all the excuses and see it time and time again. I tell them; you have ANY idea how fortunate you are to live in Mendocino County and have this privilege just handed to you like free candy... a surreal and very strange phenomena... to say the least...!

Very brief history;
I live in Mendocino County, CA - We are 'Shall Issue'.
I'm a LTC holder since 2003
Have seven (7) guns on my LTC
Gun is on my person; 24/7/365 - .S&W 340PD .357 mag / Ankle
When I run 5 miles a day for exercise 5 or 6 days a week... and YES, I do carry when I run / Fanny pack
When I do yard work? Yes.
Take the trash to the curb? Yes.

When I first obtained my LTC, I worked at Diamond Jim's Sporting Goods and had many-many conversation with gun owners. I have a Type 01 FFL License and I am still involved in firearm transactions.

How many times I have a conversation with people, or someone I've known for yearrrrrrrrrrs. And the subject of LTC/CCW comes up.

Have your CCW? - Ohhh naaa... used to, but I never renewed it.
Why? - Ohhhhh too much trouble, and besides... I hardly ever carried my gun anyway sooooo...
Or... this;
Have your LTC? - Ya... sure, uhhhhh but... I never carry.
Why? - Well, my wife... she doesn't like it. But you know, I carry if I need to.
Or this;
Have your CCW? - Oh ya... I have an LTC.
You carry every day? - No, sometimes I do... just depends... when will I ever need it anyway... besides, it's too big.

Now... I can go on and on and on and on... but I won't.

Gentlemen, see... here's the deal.
You have NO DOUBT heard it before... LTC is like a spare tire, or a fire extinguisher... you pray to God you never need to use either, but thank God it was RIGHT there at hand if you ever NEED IT...!

I carry - strap on my gun like I strap on my watch. I take my gun, like I take my cell phone... I grab my gun like I grab the keys to my truck. I always have my wallet on me, my comb, little pocket knife... every day, every day no matter what.

And that is how you ought to carry your gun... 24/7/365 - Day in, day out... every day... every day you carry like you wear your watch, carry your cell phone... YES I'M SERIOUS...!!!

Now... you will probably have a better chance at winning the Powerball Lottery than you will ever need to pull your gun and have to use it - deadly force to stop a threat of imminent peril.

The point is this... if you need it, you need to be able to reach for it, without thinking... and IT'S THERE...!

And please... please don't do any of that 'my wife won't let me carry when we are together' - Here is my post, in another thread, a few days ago http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...1#post13526471

Damn straight brother.

Gear up or go home.

[Schuetze]

Before I throw out these numbers, I'm going to throw out a disclaimer: None of this is meant to offend, disrespect, or raise the trolls. It is merely a speculation of numbers. The information I gathered is quoted via link, but I really have no idea how accurate it is. I have only used a search engine, calculator, and several shoulder shrugs.

According to 2013 census, http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06000.html there are 38,332,521 people in California. I'm thinking there are more, as people aren't quite truthful for a variety of reasons. Lets Estimate 40 million just to have a higher than speculated number. Plus, it being 2014, I'm sure we have several new residents, unless more than I accounted for said "Eff this, I'm out!" and moved to a free state.

21.3% of California residents are gun owners according to this site have guns. Not sure if they would ever know how many 80%s were done, so not sure where to go with this number. I also don't know if (because it is a liberal website) they are manipulating the numbers to speculate one gun per person, so if one person has 12 guns, they are fudgeing it to state that 12 people have guns. I trust liberals like I trust the neighborhood pitbull. http://usliberals.about.com/od/Elect...Population.htm But for the sake of moving on, lets say their numbers are correct, which means 8,520,000 have guns.

How many are forum followers, news followers, gun range inhabiters? How many take courses, have thousands of rounds of ammo, know the difference between a XXX and a YYY? We are a community and I am guilty of sometimes talking to others as though they are part of this community and because they are at the range, they know what rented gun they are holding at their bachelor party. We are growing, yes, but the question I had was: How many of us will carry? Lets say a very generous 75% get super excited about the possibility of carrying and sign up(again assuming all goes well and we are approved)That is still a hefty 6,390,000. Pretty good. I like it. But these are not daily carriers. Maybe at first, but guns are heavy. They dig in to body parts. They are sometimes hard to match up with clothing(Yes you CAN wear a full size 1911 under a tanktop, but again, i am generalizing). Don't get me wrong, it would be a great thing to be able to sell a laptop on craiggies list and strap up in case its some ploy to rob you and hurt you in the process. It is a wonderful option to have, this whole defending yourself concept.


I'm going to say that half of these numbers are going to carry religiously for 6 months,(down to around 3million) then slowly trickle down to carrying in rough city's, craiggies list meetups, or special occasions where you think "man, I should gear up", or even discontinue carrying and not bother to renew their license. Broken down into percentages, my guess is:

Sheepdogs that will carry every day even after 6 months: 8% (240,000)

Those who carry when the hours are late or craigslistin it up(lets say 15 days out of the month) 12% (360,000)

Those who vehicle carry only 30% (900,000)

The wild card 50% that carrys 2-3 days out of the month(still quite generous). 1,500,000

What is the state so worried about? We just want the OPTION to protect ourselves. Because...Some wont carry past 6 months. Lets keep this conversation civil, I'm curious of what numbers you think will daily carry, 50%, 25%, 10% and not at all. Ideally we would all carry 100%, but this is not an ideal world, as we can see daily.

I believe XXX is NSFW; I am not sure, but YYY should be SFW.

On a more serious note: I am not sure that your assumptions are sufficiently supported by factual information.

[09rubicon]

Well just to throw it out there. OPs post if very intriguing and probably very accurate.

I will admitt I dont plan to carry everyday. I legally cant carry in many places I work. That said a California CCW is required for several non-resident CCWs I do plan to aquire because I travel often (120+ days a year) and sometimes to not so pleasant places. I will be that guy carrying 3-5 days a week, but its up to you to guess which ones!

[othersmightlive]

I believe XXX is NSFW; I am not sure, but YYY should be SFW.

I was going to write "...the difference between clips and magazines..." but threw up in my mouth

[bigbearbear]

I have no intention of carrying on a daily basis. There's just no need. I live in a safe city, in a safe neighborhood. Plus, I work from home and I just don't get out that much. So why bother?

The permit is for when I travel away from home, am forced (by my wife) to go to a shopping mall, am going hiking, am going to the gun range, etc. In other words, I freely admit and fully expect to be one of those people who only carries when something unusual is going on that causes me to "gear up."

I know other people intend to be more religious about it than that, and that's fine. I think I'm more the norm, though.

I've been living for more than 50 years on this planet without the legal ability to arm myself on a daily basis. Nothing bad has happened yet. Odds are, nothing bad will ever happen to me.

No, pushing for the permits is for all those people who don't get to live as peaceful of a life as me. Also, I have kids. Who knows what their future might hold? Forcing the states to allow them a legal ability to carry is something that might be critically important to them. I hope not. But I still want to know the insurance policy is out there.

I am in a somewhat similar situation. I work from home, this will change a little in the future as I just got the green light last week from our CEO to setup an office. So in the future I'm looking at maybe going into the office 2 or 3 times a week.

Most of the time though, there will be no need to carry a concealed handgun, but I like to have that as an option. I don't have kids but wife and I usually eat out for lunch and dinner. We eat pretty late at night (around 9pm) and while the places I go to are pretty safe, I think I'll carry for our dinner trips. You'll never know what kind of idiots you might run into at night.

Another thing my current employer likes to do, which I don't like at all, is to hold company meetings/conferences in San Francisco. Instead of getting a hotel with conference room, they like to use The Hub for meetings and get a hotel somewhere else. This makes us walk all over the friggin place, with our laptops, at night. Might as well paint a target sign on us. Once I get my permit, I'm going to be carrying and packing extra magazines for our meetings/conferences in San Francisco. And I'm also going to encourage all members in my team to get their conceal carry license and pack heat for our company meetings in San Francisco too, maybe have company expense for their application and extra magazines. I don't like that city at all, all these bozos, homeless and other crazies roaming the streets like packs of zombies.

[Librarian]

Times when CCW is not possible:

- when you go into a Federal or California government office building (they have metal detectors now);

- at the Governor's Mansion;

- when you go to court;

- when you go to a police or sheriff's station;

- in a bar;

- while consuming alcoholic beverages;

- while taking meds or drugs;

- on commercial airlines;

- etc.

Not sure if I left out any. Feel free to add to the list.

Probably should take OFF the bolded ones.

With the current state of the law, those three are not prohibited times/conditions for carry.

There is a criminal prosecution in Sacramento that may change that, and the Legislature may also change that in the future.

An issuing agency may add those restrictions to the license issued, but not all do.

[ZirconJohn]

I carry everywhere I can legally carry, everyday.

What choices others make in this regard, is not my concern. It's not my business, neither should it be anyone else's (or the State's, for that matter)

The permit is a choice. So is when and where to carry. I like choices.

Well and precisely stated. Virtually ALL of us here today have managed just fine w/o a gun on our hips and frankly virtually all of us will. Yes, it's a nice option, but NO, I don't need it every day nor will I carry it every day. Most folks won't. Carrying is a HUGE burden and enormous RESPONSIBILITY. I don't want to have to leave it in my car when I change at the gym. I don't want to have to take it on and off and again leave it unattended when I'm in court (virtually every day as an atty). Etc. Etc. Etc. There is nothing wrong with having the option and only exercising it every now and again when prudent.

Nawww guys... really... it's nothing personal.

You have Rights just like everybody else. And I get the concept of "I don't tell you what to do, don't tell me what to do" - It's what I been telling left wing liberal propaganda nay-sayers for yeeeeeeeeears...!!!

The whole this is just a conundrum for people like me and many others here on CGN... the irony of it all is... the phenomenon of it all is quite perplexing.

And for the record, I do not waste all day worrying about this very strange and ubiquitous phenomenon - strange and surreal to those of us respective.

Do what you want... and believe me when I say with all sincerity 'I do understand' and I respect your decisions.

However... very strange and questionable nonetheless. Especially when one would say;

"There is nothing wrong with having the option and only exercising it every now and again when prudent."

That quote ^^^ just screams oxymoron to me.

Am I wrong...??? (Rhetorical, my mind already made)

[ConcealedKalifornia]

I personally will carry as close to 24/7 as i physically can. I have already had my "Oh crap im not armed" moment a couple years ago and i still remember it vividly.

i was in a restaurant in SD that was built into our hotel. Me and a buddy were a bit hungover and needed some breakfast bad. Left my pocket knife in the room because i didnt want to try and get the clip to attach to my sweatpants pocket.
During our breakfast a guy in the adjacent booth turned around, and reached across our table and OVER my buddy's food without a word and took the salt off OUR table.
I retorted with something along the lines of "you wanna ask next time buddy?" and the next thing i know hes out of his booth with a steak knife in his hands which he promptly starts waving in my face and screaming. his two friends managed to talk him down, but all i could think of was how that two seconds of laziness could have got me seriously injured, if not killed.
What if he went and got a gun out of his car and waited for us in the parking lot?
Obviously my pocket knife (or a gun for that matter) would not have garunteed me any form of safety or protection, but anything that brings my chances of survival up a few points is good with me

What i learned? you never know when something can happen, so you should protect yourself all the time

[othersmightlive]

I personally will carry as close to 24/7 as i physically can. I have already had my "Oh crap im not armed" moment a couple years ago and i still remember it vividly.

i was in a restaurant in SD that was built into our hotel. Me and a buddy were a bit hungover and needed some breakfast bad. Left my pocket knife in the room because i didnt want to try and get the clip to attach to my sweatpants pocket.
During our breakfast a guy in the adjacent booth turned around, and reached across our table and OVER my buddy's food without a word and took the salt off OUR table.
I retorted with something along the lines of "you wanna ask next time buddy?" and the next thing i know hes out of his booth with a steak knife in his hands which he promptly starts waving in my face and screaming. his two friends managed to talk him down, but all i could think of was how that two seconds of laziness could have got me seriously injured, if not killed.
What if he went and got a gun out of his car and waited for us in the parking lot?
Obviously my pocket knife (or a gun for that matter) would not have garunteed me any form of safety or protection, but anything that brings my chances of survival up a few points is good with me

What i learned? you never know when something can happen, so you should protect yourself all the time

Lucky. Police notified? Id like to look up the report if they were please. Thanks!

[VAReact]

It will be like joining a gym. Some will carry everyday for awhile, then never carry again. Some will carry everyday for awhile, then just every now and then. Some will carry once or twice, then drop it. Some will carry as a lifestyle -everywhere (legally permissible of course)...

[bassplayer]

You know, if there is a drop-off, I don't care! The really significant issue is that I can exercise my right as I see fit!

Dan K.

[Fjold]

I carry when I go to the bathroom.

Actually I don't carry when I'm at work or travelling on company business but other than that if you see me, I'm carrying and I've had this carry license for about 5 years.

[diverwcw]

I'm retired LE and have been authorized a CCW since 1981. The CCW can get you into more trouble than it can get you out of. Remember when you pull that trigger there is a lawyer attached to every bullet who will want to sue you for everything you have. Even if you are 100% justified on the shoot, there are still civil, political and social repercussions for pulling the trigger. Just think of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

I'm with OP, I think there will be a radical upsurge of people carrying and then taper off. There will likely be a few bad shoots and some negligent discharges but no blood running in the streets as some of the libs contend.

Should you decide to carry, remember that weapon is for your protection and the protection of your family. When you take the CCW class, pay attention.

[SB1964]

"I don't always carry a gun, just kidding" Stay thirsty my friends...

[1bulletBarney]

I'm retired LE and have been authorized a CCW since 1981. The CCW can get you into more trouble than it can get you out of. Remember when you pull that trigger there is a lawyer attached to every bullet who will want to sue you for everything you have. Even if you are 100% justified on the shoot, there are still civil, political and social repercussions for pulling the trigger. Just think of George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin.

I'm with OP, I think there will be a radical upsurge of people carrying and then taper off. There will likely be a few bad shoots and some negligent discharges but no blood running in the streets as some of the libs contend.

Should you decide to carry, remember that weapon is for your protection and the protection of your family. When you take the CCW class, pay attention.

^^^^
Very well said, agree 100%