ATTENTION! Ares Armor threatened with jail time for sign of ar15

[kcstott]

The type of problems gun stores up north had was about introduction of *new* city ordinances that *would* force gun stores to relocate due to zoning requirements (typically). That's a far cry from a lawsuit or any other legal action. It's still very underhanded, but it's a completely different beast.

I'm not sure what's going on in this case and I'm pretty sure many others aren't either. It would be good to know for sure what the city's grounds for objection are.

the city's grounds for objections falls on a city ordinance that says when your business is closed as in out of business you are to remove your external signage from the building. Ares used an existing illegal structure to erect their sign without obtaining a permit from the city to do so.

The city wants them to remove the sign, apply for a permit and go from there, This idiot is screaming "I know my rights" when the city just wants the proper procedures to be followed like everyone else.


All this crap of we need to stand behind this guy. Man you guys are just as dumb as he is. He could have solved this issue in one days work. Oh no i'm gonna scream discrimination, and right violation. Sounds like Al Sharpton screaming racism every other damn word. pull your head out of your butt and play by the rule.

the original Citation
read it and you will see there is no 1A case here. NONE

[morfeeis]

For all those crying about the video being to long; how much time did you spend in front of the TV this weekend?

I'll be making some calls tomorrow...

[goober]

the city's grounds for objections falls on a city ordinance that says when your business is closed as in out of business you are to remove your external signage from the building. Ares used an existing illegal structure to erect their sign without obtaining a permit from the city to do so.

The city wants them to remove the sign, apply for a permit and go from there, This idiot is screaming "I know my rights" when the city just wants the proper procedures to be followed like everyone else.


All this crap of we need to stand behind this guy. Man you guys are just as dumb as he is. He could have solved this issue in one days work. Oh no i'm gonna scream discrimination, and right violation. Sounds like Al Sharpton screaming racism every other damn word. pull your head out of your butt and play by the rule.

the original Citation
read it and you will see there is no 1A case here. NONE

THIS^

finally someone cuts thru the BS in this thread. thanks kcstott!

IMO making these sorts of claims of discrimination and 11/2A rights violations when in fact the ones grandstanding are just sloppy, lazy, and/or dishonest is nothing short of despicable.

[IVC]

the city's grounds for objections falls on a city ordinance that says when your business is closed as in out of business you are to remove your external signage from the building. Ares used an existing illegal structure to erect their sign without obtaining a permit from the city to do so.

The city wants them to remove the sign, apply for a permit and go from there, This idiot is screaming "I know my rights" when the city just wants the proper procedures to be followed like everyone else.


All this crap of we need to stand behind this guy. Man you guys are just as dumb as he is. He could have solved this issue in one days work. Oh no i'm gonna scream discrimination, and right violation. Sounds like Al Sharpton screaming racism every other damn word. pull your head out of your butt and play by the rule.

the original Citation
read it and you will see there is no 1A case here. NONE

THANK YOU! Finally we get a full info of what's going on.

EDIT: goober beat me by a minute...

[neomedic]

Wonder if the City would of gone through the same troubles to enforce this rule if for example "American Apple Pie" opened up a bakery there and put a picture of a pie?

[thayne]

the city's grounds for objections falls on a city ordinance that says when your business is closed as in out of business you are to remove your external signage from the building. Ares used an existing illegal structure to erect their sign without obtaining a permit from the city to do so.

The city wants them to remove the sign, apply for a permit and go from there, This idiot is screaming "I know my rights" when the city just wants the proper procedures to be followed like everyone else.


All this crap of we need to stand behind this guy. Man you guys are just as dumb as he is. He could have solved this issue in one days work. Oh no i'm gonna scream discrimination, and right violation. Sounds like Al Sharpton screaming racism every other damn word. pull your head out of your butt and play by the rule.

the original Citation
read it and you will see there is no 1A case here. NONE

The sign frame has been there for 60 years....

[croc4]

Signage != sign frame, given the frame has been there 50yrs( if info is accurate), then something else is going on here. If not then how come the frame was not torn down decades ago?

[a old Marine]

[goober]

The sign frame has been there for 60 years....

Signage != sign frame, given the frame has been there 50yrs( if info is accurate), then something else is going on here. If not then how come the frame was not torn down decades ago?

there was a business there previously.
they went through the required process to put their signage in that location.
they closed.
ares moved in & put their signage up without going through the required process.
then, when called out on it, they claimed it was because of the content, rather than the fact that they tried to cut corners.

how long the sign frame has existed has no relevance here.

[valley82]

there was a business there previously.
they went through the required process to put their signage in that location.
they closed.
ares moved in & put their signage up without going through the required process.
then, when called out on it, they claimed it was because of the content, rather than the fact that they tried to cut corners.

how long the sign frame has existed has no relevance here.

This

[Jeebs]

the city's grounds for objections falls on a city ordinance that says when your business is closed as in out of business you are to remove your external signage from the building. Ares used an existing illegal structure to erect their sign without obtaining a permit from the city to do so.

The city wants them to remove the sign, apply for a permit and go from there, This idiot is screaming "I know my rights" when the city just wants the proper procedures to be followed like everyone else.


All this crap of we need to stand behind this guy. Man you guys are just as dumb as he is. He could have solved this issue in one days work. Oh no i'm gonna scream discrimination, and right violation. Sounds like Al Sharpton screaming racism every other damn word. pull your head out of your butt and play by the rule.

the original Citation
read it and you will see there is no 1A case here. NONE

Thank you!

The citation says that Ares is making a mountain out of a mole hill. They put up a sign without a permit and the city is demanding it go through the proper channels. Now Ares and the gun toting version of Michael Moore are running around claiming the anti's are coming for their guns!

Unless Ares can show that the city has never enforced this prior to their sign going up, this is a complete non-story.

[rootuser]

you guys need to really think this one over... Ares in in violation of a municipal code, a very low grade one at that. He ain't going to jail over this. Unless he's taken to court and refuses a court order then that different but as of right now that idiot needs to comply with the city ordinance and follow the friggin rules then sue the crap out of NC for 1A violations and discrimination.

But until he complies he has no leg to stand on.

This is just more Ares Armor douchebaggery (is that a word?)

That being said, if they are actually being persecuted, it is always a good litmus test to see if you can stand up for the dirt bags you really believe in your cause.

I do not see this to be a case of anything other than a violation of a city ordinance. If you don't like the ordinance, fight it but you have to comply.

The whole "We don't like you, go to jail" is WAY overstated and sounds like the strings being pulled by Ares. Until they get their business in order, I won't be supporting them. If they do get permits and the city comes after them only, for erecting a sign supporting their gun shop, because it's a gun shop, and the city allows all others to erect similar signs not related to guns, then I will donate to their cause because some things outweigh the stupidity of one local business.

[Stirlee]

Wonder if the City would of gone through the same troubles to enforce this rule if for example "American Apple Pie" opened up a bakery there and put a picture of a pie?

of course not. people here dont see to understand selective enforcement.

[Jeebs]

of course not. people here dont see to understand selective enforcement.

Ares has nobody to blame but themselves. They gave the city a perfectly legitimate reason to order them to remove the sign by not following the most basic protocols that are in just about every municipality.

[wheels]

I read that citation as the roof mounted sign is no longer allowed by city ordinance and was supposed to have been removed by the owner of the property the first time possession of the property was changed after the ordinance was put in place. Anyone know how many changes in possession have occurred since the ordinance went into effect?

Sucks for Ares I think but if you want to be in the firearms biz in CA you better have your ducks in a row...