Next best option for LTC?

[Epaphroditus]

Dogs are not scary unless you are not an alpha. Alphas know.

LTC versus knife is not even a discussion to have - apples and rutabagas. Who doesn't carry a knife?

I'm with SacTown on the pepper spray as well. LTC, knife, pepper spray - what you want is not LTC versus knife as an 'option' what you want are options which means LTC (when we can get it), knives, pepper spray and whatever else you can get without getting into trouble so you have options to choose from when you need them! It is a spectrum of force - not gun versus knife.

[tonyxcom]

But as a member on a gun form I would think you would understand and be somewhat sympathetic because we deal with a similar situation:

Its the same mentality that people say AR15s are scary big black guns.

Oh, so if someone was running full speed towards me with an AR15 I shouldn't feel scared?

[AK5.56]

Oh, so if someone was running full speed towards me with an AR15 I shouldn't feel scared?

You took my words out of context. The point was:

The op probably wouldn't have shared his story if it was a chihuahua that came running at him. He mentioned it was a pit bull multiple times insinuating that this specific breed is something to be feared where as it was really just his personal fear.

My analogy was to make the comparison of how people use emotion and fear of the ar15 just because of It's color and military looks where really it's just a gun. The same goes for pit bulls and how people are quick to judge them based on their appearance and bad publicity when they are just another dog. Kind of like how people fear the ar15 because the news stories they hear about shootings.

[ChrisC]

The op probably wouldn't have shared his story if it was a chihuahua that came running at him. He mentioned it was a pit bull multiple times insinuating that this specific breed is something to be feared where as it was really just his personal fear.

Maybe he has only been charged by a dog once and it happened to be a pitbull. Why do people try and make something out of nothing. Not everyone is against pitbulls, give it a rest.

The only insinuating I seen was on your behalf.

[golfish]

Pepper spray may be a good option if you need some protection against a loose/vicious dog. Also a good solid walking stick is probably wise to have. Nothing says down boy like a swift whack across the head.

I always like to carry an old 9 iron or sand wedge.

[AK5.56]

Maybe he has only been charged by a dog once and it happened to be a pitbull. Why do people try and make something out of nothing. Not everyone is against pitbulls, give it a rest.

The only insinuating I seen was on your behalf.

You mean like you just did. I never accused the op of being anti pit bull. Just said his story portrays a false negative stereotype.

[valdier]

I did read it and it may appear you however didn't. Let me explain:

Dogbites.org is a amateur website owned and written by solely one woman, Collen Lynn, whose original intention was to ban certain breeds deemed too dangerous to own as she stated in her original "about us" section on her website.

You again, clearly did not read the links I gave you. The website posted the data. The data on the page if you read it was clearly not from dogbites.org. One of them was a summary of information from the site, the second one was from the editor of Animal People conducted over 30 years, way before dogbites.org was ever around. Animal People, the site/organization that is dedicated to stopping cruelty to animals. Yeah, those guys are the ones that say pit-bulls are dangerous.

How about the CDC? Are they *ALSO* anti-pitbull?

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

They also conclude that per populace the dogs along with rott mixes are exceptionally dangerous as a percentage of dog population.

Is anyone that posts facts about the dangerous nature of pit bull breeds "anti-pitbull"? Or, is it possible, that you are just an apologist for the breed? I'm not saying they need to be banned, shot on sight or anything of the sort, but lets not try to pretend they aren't an aggressive breed of animal.

You do have a MUCH bigger reason to fear a pitbull breed charging you, than you do a golden lab though. Facts is facts.

[valdier]

You mean like you just did. I never accused the op of being anti pit bull. Just said his story portrays a false negative stereotype.

Except it isn't a false negative stereotype, it is a factual stereotype backed up by multiple, multi-decade studies by completely disparate groups across the country.

[AK5.56]

You fail to understand my whole point.

I'm not denying pit bulls are probably one of the more dangerous breeds of dogs given their muscular build and large jaws. When I say dangerous I mean capable of doing more damage more easily than say a Chihuahua . (I would say a .50bmg is more dangerous than a 7.62 but I wouldn't want to be shot by either)

Im saying there is absolutely no scientific backing or process that shows the American Pit Bull Terrier has any more tendency to "turn" (not that any dog really turns on people unless they feel threatened or have some other reason) or is more "aggressive".

There are a couple reasons that there are "facts" claiming these notions you mentioned.
1. People don't really know what a pit bull is. So when there is a incident where someone is bitten by a dog that resembles a pit bull, when they go to seek medical attention or fill out a survey, they label that dog as a Pit Bull, because they don't know any better. In the long run it makes the "facts" look really bad for pits or in other other words become a "false negative stereotype".

2. When a pit feels threatened and there does happen to be a biting it usually results in much more damage causing the person to actually report it or seek medical attention with is the same as reporting. Think about if everyone reported how many times they were bitten by mini dogs like Dachshunds or Chihuahuas or Mini Dobys. There is a reason they call them ankle bitters and I would guess the numbers would be way higher for dog bites from small dogs if they were all recorded.

Not that this matters but I am around a lot of dogs and my personal experience has always proven more aggressiveness from small dogs than the pit bulls I have been around.

Im sure we are going to continue to disagree on the matter, and that's fine. I can actually appreciate that you responded with some kind of source and not just pure opinion. I try to be as open minded about everything.

Cheers

[zhyla]

A knife is a great tool but honestly kicking dogs is a better idea. Once they're close enough to stab they're chewing on your nads.

[1bulletBarney]

With the recent 9th CCA opinion "reverse and remand" in mind, I started this thread after I was charged by a dog (pit bull).

In my opinion a couple of posters craped all over this thread.

When this dog was charging, I took a defensive stand and was ready to defend myself with a weapon I lawfully was able to carry.

Funny thing was I did not feel the fear until after the situation was over.

Pepper spray, golf clubs, big sticks and boots are all viable options, I just happened to have a knife in my pocket. I hope that someday my county (state of CA) will become "shall issue" so that I can have another option to defend myself LTC.

Thanks to the posters that stayed with the thread and to the others...

[rondeezy]

seeing as how youre not actually asking about the next best ltc option, cool story bro.

[the0thermrt]

I've trained my three GSD mixes to run with me while I'm riding a bike. I'll take them for rides around the neighborhood but never without my mace gun and 12" bowie (open carry).