SHOT Show 2014

[Ferrum]

Looks like a good time! Keep the updates coming...

[daphonz]

Is it just me or does that Remington R51 remind anyone else of the original Lazer Tag guns?

[SNCaliber]

thanks for the previews, I dig that bufferless .22 AR pistol!

[engi]

Was there yesterday and today with cal.bar. Too bad we didn't link up. Had to leave today so keep those pictures coming.

[Kestryll]

And now to end the speculation.

I spent a fair bit of time today speaking to Kevin Reid from Ruger.
He is a Vice President and General Counsel for Ruger.

Here is the word from the source:
Ruger is NOT making a concerted effort to allow guns to drop off roster.
They are continuing to submit firearms to CA for testing, they pass all the testing however DoJ has told the testing lab that if they do not have microstamping don't bother to send the test results over.

The problem lies in what DoJ considers to a 'change'.
We all know that the identical firearm with a different colorant added to the polymer frame is seen as an entirely different firearm and has to be certified on it's own.
Ruger makes changes to improve manufacturing and their firearms, they are told by CA DoJ that those changes make it a 'new model' that has to meet the new requirement.

In the case of the SR-22 they changed the breech block was originally forged, when they changed to a MiM breech block CA DoJ said it was a material change that required new testing and certification.
The models that are falling off the roster this year have had minor changes to their manufacturing or design that Cal DoJ says requires microstamping to re-certify.

I asked Kevin point blank, 'Is their an intentional move to allow handguns to fall off the roster and/or stop selling pistols in California?'
He was adamant that Ruger is committed to selling handguns in California but they are convinced that Cal DoJ is using microstamping as a means to create a defacto ban that will eventually mean no pistols are legal to sell in California.

He said that in cases where no changes that Cal DoJ says requires new testing and certification have been made they will maintain them on the roster. However with constant updates and improvements to design and manufacturing processes there's not many that are going to be able to stay static.

That's the real story on Ruger.

[cabinetguy]

Kes, Ivan and Lorax out of town? Let the OT games begin!

[JWHuey]

And now to end the speculation.

I spent a fair bit of time today speaking to Kevin Reid from Ruger.
He is a Vice President and General Counsel for Ruger.

Here is the word from the source:
Ruger is NOT making a concerted effort to allow guns to drop off roster.
They are continuing to submit firearms to CA for testing, they pass all the testing however DoJ has told the testing lab that if they do not have microstamping don't bother to send the test results over.

The problem lies in what DoJ considers to a 'change'.
We all know that the identical firearm with a different colorant added to the polymer frame is seen as an entirely different firearm and has to be certified on it's own.
Ruger makes changes to improve manufacturing and their firearms, they are told by CA DoJ that those changes make it a 'new model' that has to meet the new requirement.

In the case of the SR-22 they changed the breech block was originally forged, when they changed to a MiM breech block CA DoJ said it was a material change that required new testing and certification.
The models that are falling off the roster this year have had minor changes to their manufacturing or design that Cal DoJ says requires microstamping to re-certify.

I asked Kevin point blank, 'Is their an intentional move to allow handguns to fall off the roster and/or stop selling pistols in California?'
He was adamant that Ruger is committed to selling handguns in California but they are convinced that Cal DoJ is using microstamping as a means to create a defacto ban that will eventually mean no pistols are legal to sell in California.

He said that in cases where no changes that Cal DoJ says requires new testing and certification have been made they will maintain them on the roster. However with constant updates and improvements to design and manufacturing processes there's not many that are going to be able to stay static.

That's the real story on Ruger.

Geeze. Good thing what the Government/Cal DOJ is doing isn't unconstitutional or anything... Sheesh

[Ford8N]

And now to end the speculation.

I spent a fair bit of time today speaking to Kevin Reid from Ruger.
He is a Vice President and General Counsel for Ruger.

Here is the word from the source:
Ruger is NOT making a concerted effort to allow guns to drop off roster.
They are continuing to submit firearms to CA for testing, they pass all the testing however DoJ has told the testing lab that if they do not have microstamping don't bother to send the test results over.

The problem lies in what DoJ considers to a 'change'.
We all know that the identical firearm with a different colorant added to the polymer frame is seen as an entirely different firearm and has to be certified on it's own.
Ruger makes changes to improve manufacturing and their firearms, they are told by CA DoJ that those changes make it a 'new model' that has to meet the new requirement.

In the case of the SR-22 they changed the breech block was originally forged, when they changed to a MiM breech block CA DoJ said it was a material change that required new testing and certification.
The models that are falling off the roster this year have had minor changes to their manufacturing or design that Cal DoJ says requires microstamping to re-certify.

I asked Kevin point blank, 'Is their an intentional move to allow handguns to fall off the roster and/or stop selling pistols in California?'
He was adamant that Ruger is committed to selling handguns in California but they are convinced that Cal DoJ is using microstamping as a means to create a defacto ban that will eventually mean no pistols are legal to sell in California.

He said that in cases where no changes that Cal DoJ says requires new testing and certification have been made they will maintain them on the roster. However with constant updates and improvements to design and manufacturing processes there's not many that are going to be able to stay static.

That's the real story on Ruger.

CalDOJ is just doing the bidding of the Brady's, nothing new.

[Danodog]

I am surprised that a lawsuit hasn't come forward. Is there plans from Calguns or the NRA to challenge this?

[jaymz]

I am surprised that a lawsuit hasn't come forward. Is there plans from Calguns or the NRA to challenge this?

Yep.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=13207466#post13207466

[BakoJ]

Was Colion Noir at the NRA booth or just wandering the show?

[h0use]

Was Colion Noir at the NRA booth or just wandering the show?

Yesterday he was at the NRA booth

[Echo5Hotel]

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[The Gleam]

Hey, did you see "Expertish" (aka Jason Veraldi) - up there?

I heard he has a booth; and taking orders on Mosins.

[SuperSet]

Hey, did you see "Expertish" (aka Jason Veraldi) - up there?

I heard he has a booth; and taking orders on Mosins.

Too soon, man, too soon.