Who qualifies as an LEO

[Thefeeder]

Fireman?

[robitrocks]

Law Enforcement Officer?

[csmintel]

fireman is not leo, though I think they should have at least one person ( covertly) armed just in case. they do arrive 1st on the scene sometimes. same goes to paramedics.

[CSDGuy]

fireman is not leo, though I think they should have at least one person ( covertly) armed just in case. they do arrive 1st on the scene sometimes. same goes to paramedics.

Arson investigators are in fact, LEOs. They are not "normal" LEOs... They attend a "Special Investigators Basic Course" instead of a full Academy.

[Thefeeder]

LEO

Arson investigators are in fact, LEOs. They are not "normal" LEOs... They attend a "Special Investigators Basic Course" instead of a full Academy.

I'll rephrase...In the eye of the Calif DOJ is a fireman a LEO

[Shane916]

I'll rephrase...In the eye of the Calif DOJ is a fireman a LEO

A regular fireman or firewoman no.

830.37. The following persons are peace officers whose authority
extends to any place in the state for the purpose of performing their
primary duty or when making an arrest pursuant to Section 836 as to
any public offense with respect to which there is immediate danger to
person or property, or of the escape of the perpetrator of that
offense, or pursuant to Section 8597 or 8598 of the Government Code.
These peace officers may carry firearms only if authorized and
under terms and conditions specified by their employing agency:
(a) Members of an arson-investigating unit, regularly paid and
employed in that capacity, of a fire department or fire protection
agency of a county, city, city and county, district, or the state, if
the primary duty of these peace officers is the detection and
apprehension of persons who have violated any fire law or committed
insurance fraud.
(b) Members other than members of an arson-investigating unit,
regularly paid and employed in that capacity, of a fire department or
fire protection agency of a county, city, city and county, district,
or the state, if the primary duty of these peace officers, when
acting in that capacity, is the enforcement of laws relating to fire
prevention or fire suppression.
(c) Voluntary fire wardens as are designated by the Director of
Forestry and Fire Protection pursuant to Section 4156 of the Public
Resources Code, provided that the primary duty of these peace
officers shall be the enforcement of the law as that duty is set
forth in Section 4156 of the Public Resources Code.
(d) Firefighter/security guards by the Military Department, if the
primary duty of the peace officer is the enforcement of the law in
or about properties owned, operated, or administered by the employing
agency or when performing necessary duties with respect to patrons,
employees, and properties of the employing agency.

[Shane916]

Here is the link if you interested in all the technicalities.

http://law.justia.com/california/codes/pen/830-832.17.html

[tyrist]

fireman is not leo, though I think they should have at least one person ( covertly) armed just in case. they do arrive 1st on the scene sometimes. same goes to paramedics.

They wait around the corner for us to secure the scene before they proceed.

[moulton]

Arson investigators
Fire Marshals
Fire Chiefs

[icormba]

Sunnyvale Public Safety Officers who serve and/or are trained as both Fire and Police, I believe, qualify.

http://www.sunnyvale.ca.gov/Departments/Public+Safety/

[moulton]

Sunnyvale Public Safety Officers who serve and/or are trained as both Fire and Police, I believe, qualify.

http://www.sunnyvale.ca.gov/Departments/Public+Safety/

Same with Rohnert Park DPS

[Santa Cruz Armory]

Arson investigators
Fire Marshals
Fire Chiefs

Well gee! I guess I'm in luck... I've done the Level III,II,I courses and I'm a Fire Chief. I can't wait to try and buy my first assault weapon or more standard cap mags.... "but really officer, I'm one of you"... LOL! you guys think it'll fly??

Seriously though, it's worth looking into. If it's in the law, it's meant to be exercised.

[halifax]

DOJ once told me the ID must say PEACE officer to qualify for all the good stuff. That may not be all though.

[CSDGuy]

Your firefighter ID would likely say that you have authority as a peace officer if you're so designated. BLFD1 - if you've been designated as a peace officer in your role as FD Chief, you might just qualify... but I don't know if you are employed as/qualified as a 830.1 or 830.2 peace officer in that role. I've never looked into it and how it might play into the firearms laws.

[Ironchef]

Does any of this have to do with being sworn? For example, the above cited occupations of fire chief, arson inspector, etc..are they sworn? Or is there some other authority derived pronouncement that enables someone in fire to be able to have LE authority?

Or maybe I'm not understanding the purpose of this thread? Maybe more context would help?