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  • #16
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    • Nov 2007
    • 29

    Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
    Then, so many days after he dies, you or whoever finds them will be committing a felony.
    Has anyone had any experience with this yet? How would any of it even be tracked...Would DoJ drop by at some point, or do they just exist, and no one can be in possession of them?

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    • #17
      Ronin2
      Banned
      • Jan 2011
      • 5563

      Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
      Face it, your post was wrong. It was only luck that your answer was correct but, that does not mean that you were right. .
      Now there is some arrogant, obtuse thinking... For a pre 2000/Roberti-Roos banned weapon and if YOU remember, Roberti-Roos was primarily a "named weapon ban", I was absolutely correct.

      So after your quote above, how was my post wrong?

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      • #18
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        • Nov 2007
        • 29

        Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
        No gun store sells AWs to the public. So, most FFLs do not have AW permits. Yea, it is a special and expensive permit to get and keep. So, figure it'll be an expensive transfer.

        I see.

        I forgot that all the newer guns out there are technically not AWs.

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        • #19
          Merc1138
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2009
          • 19742

          Originally posted by Ronin2
          Now there is some arrogant, obtuse thinking... For a pre 2000/Roberti-Roos banned weapon and if YOU remember, Roberti-Roos was primarily a "named weapon ban", I was absolutely correct.

          So after your quote above, how was my post wrong?
          Not every RAW was registered due to being named(hell, the list of named rifles isn't even that long). You were wrong, get over it.

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          • #20
            Ronin2
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            • Jan 2011
            • 5563

            Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
            No gun store sells AWs to the public. So, most FFLs do not have AW permits. Yea, it is a special and expensive permit to get and keep. So, figure it'll be an expensive transfer.
            Can you take the gun out of state to either Keep it or sell it in the open market?

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            • #21
              Ed_Hazard
              Calguns Addict
              • Oct 2008
              • 5146

              To the Op, what is your location? If your in SoCal I'd recommend using Ammo Bros to do the transfer to your brother in Kentucky. They have the needed permit and the rates are not unreasonable.

              As to not being able to find them , the state of Ca. wont care. They want them gone, so the burden falls on you to ensure that they are dealt with properly
              Originally Posted by Sic Boy
              And I bet Jobs surfs porn. If he doesn't, I'll eat a live baby on stage at the next Apple event.
              Originally posted by AJAX22
              Don't F with those guys... they can probably use their teabag to inflict blunt force trauma.


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              • #22
                Ed_Hazard
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                • Oct 2008
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                Originally posted by Ronin2
                Can you take the gun out of state to either Keep it or sell it in the open market?
                Nope, as you are not a resident of the state your looking to sell in.



                (a)(5) tells us that unlicensed individuals may not sell a gun to unlicensed individuals who do not live in the same state as the seller.
                Penalties for violation of (a)(2), (a)(3), and (a)(5) are the 'default' provisions of 18 USC 924 (a)(1)(D):
                Originally Posted by Sic Boy
                And I bet Jobs surfs porn. If he doesn't, I'll eat a live baby on stage at the next Apple event.
                Originally posted by AJAX22
                Don't F with those guys... they can probably use their teabag to inflict blunt force trauma.


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                • #23
                  CSACANNONEER
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                  • Dec 2006
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                  Originally posted by Ronin2
                  Now there is some arrogant, obtuse thinking... For a pre 2000/Roberti-Roos banned weapon and if YOU remember, Roberti-Roos was primarily a "named weapon ban", I was absolutely correct.

                  So after your quote above, how was my post wrong?
                  You are still wrong, arrogant and obtuse. You are admitting that have no clue about all the Cat 2 and Cat 3 RAWs out there. Yea, MOST RAWs that I've come in contact with are not Cat 1 RAWs. They are Cat 2 or Cat 3 Raws.

                  Originally posted by Ronin2
                  Can you take the gun out of state to either Keep it or sell it in the open market?
                  As long as you follow all state and federal laws. That means, since you are a resident of a different state, you have to go through a FFL in the buyer's state of residency.
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                  • #24
                    CSACANNONEER
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                    • Dec 2006
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                    Originally posted by Ed_Hazard
                    Nope, as you are not a resident of the state your looking to sell in.



                    (a)(5) tells us that unlicensed individuals may not sell a gun to unlicensed individuals who do not live in the same state as the seller.
                    Penalties for violation of (a)(2), (a)(3), and (a)(5) are the 'default' provisions of 18 USC 924 (a)(1)(D):
                    See my previous post. You ASSuMEd facts not in evidence. It can be perfectly legal to go out of state and sell a firearm to a non licensed resident of another state and, it is 100% legal to go out of state and sell a firearm to a licensed firearms dealer.
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                    • #25
                      Ronin2
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                      • Jan 2011
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                      Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                      You are still wrong, arrogant and obtuse. You are admitting that have no clue about all the Cat 2 and Cat 3 RAWs out there. Yea, MOST RAWs that I've come in contact with are not Cat 1 RAWs. They are Cat 2 or Cat 3 Raws.
                      I was indeed wrong, sometimes arrogant and even obtuse, having confused the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 with the mess that occured in 2000 since all of my registered AW's are named in that legislation. My apologies.
                      Last edited by Ronin2; 12-27-2013, 7:47 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Ed_Hazard
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 5146

                        Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                        See my previous post. You ASSuMEd facts not in evidence. It can be perfectly legal to go out of state and sell a firearm to a non licensed resident of another state and, it is 100% legal to go out of state and sell a firearm to a licensed firearms dealer.
                        Wow, looking to fight the world huh? Well you seem to have ***umed a bit yourself their bud. Try comprehendig, not just reading next time.




                        Originally posted by Ed_Hazard
                        Nope, as you are not a resident of the state your looking to sell in.



                        (a)(5) tells us that unlicensed individuals may not sell a gun to unlicensed individuals who do not live in the same state as the seller.
                        Penalties for violation of (a)(2), (a)(3), and (a)(5) are the 'default' provisions of 18 USC 924 (a)(1)(D):
                        Originally Posted by Sic Boy
                        And I bet Jobs surfs porn. If he doesn't, I'll eat a live baby on stage at the next Apple event.
                        Originally posted by AJAX22
                        Don't F with those guys... they can probably use their teabag to inflict blunt force trauma.


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                        • #27
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                          • Oct 2005
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                          Ahem.

                          To summarize:

                          'Named' weapons cannot be made un-'assault weapons'.

                          Inheritance of 'assault weapons' is legal, but one has 90 days to take an inherited a-w out of state.

                          Inheritance is exempt from the FFL requirement; an executor could travel out of state to deliver an inherited gun to an out of state inheritor, or the inheritor could travel to CA to collect it - BUT CA law treats a-ws weirdly, and the executor could not ship it out of state without using an FFL licensed to handle a-ws.

                          OR as already noted, one who lives in CA and inherits an a-w may legally take such a gun out of state himself, and sell it at an FFL in some other state.

                          Took less than an hour for this to go off the rails. That's what I get for trying to eat dinner.
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